Passenger lands plane in Fla. after pilot die
04-20-2009, 05:54 AM
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But sadly, most of the SICs flying in the aircraft(s) that do not require them and even in the big ones that do (91 and even some 135) are just seat warmers and radio operators and in fact know nothing about the aircraft. They are usually kids with CFIs living the dream all the while not collecting a single dime pay. This is all part of the disfunction of the industry. Too many PICs turn these aircraft into magical and mystical airframes and never bother to train the up and comers, never mind give them a landing empty... forget a landing with passengers. Is it for fear of their jobs, simple laziness or just a ego power trip? Owners whether a pilot themselves or not spend millions and millions of dollars for these awesome airplanes but for some reason have such a mental block on spending $10,000 to $40,000 for proper training never mind hiring a co-pilot on a plane that "does not require one".
The real sad point is after all this nothing will change, the FAA will not tighten the regs nor will owners wake up and spend the money for education and hire a qualified SIC.
Be safe.
04-21-2009, 04:46 AM
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That is an excellent point and I agree 100%!
But sadly, most of the SICs flying in the aircraft(s) that do not require them and even in the big ones that do (91 and even some 135) are just seat warmers and radio operators and in fact know nothing about the aircraft. They are usually kids with CFIs living the dream all the while not collecting a single dime pay. This is all part of the disfunction of the industry. Too many PICs turn these aircraft into magical and mystical airframes and never bother to train the up and comers, never mind give them a landing empty... forget a landing with passengers. Is it for fear of their jobs, simple laziness or just a ego power trip? Owners whether a pilot themselves or not spend millions and millions of dollars for these awesome airplanes but for some reason have such a mental block on spending $10,000 to $40,000 for proper training never mind hiring a co-pilot on a plane that "does not require one".
The real sad point is after all this nothing will change, the FAA will not tighten the regs nor will owners wake up and spend the money for education and hire a qualified SIC.
Be safe.
But sadly, most of the SICs flying in the aircraft(s) that do not require them and even in the big ones that do (91 and even some 135) are just seat warmers and radio operators and in fact know nothing about the aircraft. They are usually kids with CFIs living the dream all the while not collecting a single dime pay. This is all part of the disfunction of the industry. Too many PICs turn these aircraft into magical and mystical airframes and never bother to train the up and comers, never mind give them a landing empty... forget a landing with passengers. Is it for fear of their jobs, simple laziness or just a ego power trip? Owners whether a pilot themselves or not spend millions and millions of dollars for these awesome airplanes but for some reason have such a mental block on spending $10,000 to $40,000 for proper training never mind hiring a co-pilot on a plane that "does not require one".
The real sad point is after all this nothing will change, the FAA will not tighten the regs nor will owners wake up and spend the money for education and hire a qualified SIC.
Be safe.
Well in the end it still comes to the bottom dollar for operating cost. If you have the utmost confidence in your pilot, with all they spent on that person, why do they need a 2nd if the first is perfectly capable? Who's going to cover the training costs and salary of the 2nd non-required crew-member? It all adds' up, even if it is a $4mil plane to start with. Now sometimes, the difference in insurance premium of adding a second pilot could actually be cheaper in some cases, but not all of them.
As far as the PIC's you mention, if you're talking 135 ops, you are sadly mistaken if you feel you have a right at all to touch the controls. It's the PIC's cert if you goof something up while on a live leg, not fear, laziness, or ego(well that one is possible in any situation though). Now on 91 legs, absolutely! My days as a 135 freight dog in a C310, I'd have all sorts of friends, up and comers(Jon's here somewhere), trainee's, and family ride with me. I had no problem with them flying while on the 91 legs, but on the 135 it was my leg regardless.
I just have this feeling that you've been burned by someone. Chalk it up as a life lesson, and hopefully you won't repeat their mistakes.
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