Rate this River Visual 19 Execution
12-23-2008, 01:47 PM
#11
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He/she took 17 seconds from overhead the photographer to touchdown.
The photographer was probably 500 feet from the runway if he was on the perimeter road. 900 if he was in GW Memorial park. (Based on imagery of the clearway)
Assuming the following Average ground speeds from the photographer's position, he flew ______ feet to touchdown and ______ feet from the threshold:
Ave GS Total D D from threshold (photographer @ 500 and 900 ft)
100 kts - 2700 ft - 2200 ft - 1800 ft
120 kts - 3400 ft - 2900 ft - 2400 ft
140 kts - 4000 ft - 3500 ft - 3100 ft
160 kts - 4600 ft - 4100 ft - 3600 ft
You decide choose his ground speed and the photographer's position and decide.
The photographer was probably 500 feet from the runway if he was on the perimeter road. 900 if he was in GW Memorial park. (Based on imagery of the clearway)
Assuming the following Average ground speeds from the photographer's position, he flew ______ feet to touchdown and ______ feet from the threshold:
Ave GS Total D D from threshold (photographer @ 500 and 900 ft)
100 kts - 2700 ft - 2200 ft - 1800 ft
120 kts - 3400 ft - 2900 ft - 2400 ft
140 kts - 4000 ft - 3500 ft - 3100 ft
160 kts - 4600 ft - 4100 ft - 3600 ft
You decide choose his ground speed and the photographer's position and decide.
12-23-2008, 01:58 PM
#12
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The River visual is a tough approach. Very tight. Not bad once you do it a few times and maintain proficiency but very challenging when only flying it once a month or every few months.
On an instrumented runway, the touchdown zone markings begin 500 feet down the runway with the aiming point marking (solid white blocks in picture) 1000 feet down the runway. It appears the aircraft touched down between 1000 and 1500 feet, but it is difficult to see due to the angle.
It looks like the nose was angled off on landing but the nose kept the same angle even after landing so it might be a perspective of the viewer and not actually a sideward landing. Even if it was, with high winds and the demanding approach, it still looks okay to me.
Landing on 19 at Reagan is easier than landing on an aircraft carrier, but not by much. Very demanding. It's an okay landing in my book.
On an instrumented runway, the touchdown zone markings begin 500 feet down the runway with the aiming point marking (solid white blocks in picture) 1000 feet down the runway. It appears the aircraft touched down between 1000 and 1500 feet, but it is difficult to see due to the angle.
It looks like the nose was angled off on landing but the nose kept the same angle even after landing so it might be a perspective of the viewer and not actually a sideward landing. Even if it was, with high winds and the demanding approach, it still looks okay to me.
Landing on 19 at Reagan is easier than landing on an aircraft carrier, but not by much. Very demanding. It's an okay landing in my book.
12-24-2008, 05:38 AM
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He/she took 17 seconds from overhead the photographer to touchdown.
The photographer was probably 500 feet from the runway if he was on the perimeter road. 900 if he was in GW Memorial park. (Based on imagery of the clearway)
Assuming the following Average ground speeds from the photographer's position, he flew ______ feet to touchdown and ______ feet from the threshold:
Ave GS Total D D from threshold (photographer @ 500 and 900 ft)
100 kts - 2700 ft - 2200 ft - 1800 ft
120 kts - 3400 ft - 2900 ft - 2400 ft
140 kts - 4000 ft - 3500 ft - 3100 ft
160 kts - 4600 ft - 4100 ft - 3600 ft
You decide choose his ground speed and the photographer's position and decide.
The photographer was probably 500 feet from the runway if he was on the perimeter road. 900 if he was in GW Memorial park. (Based on imagery of the clearway)
Assuming the following Average ground speeds from the photographer's position, he flew ______ feet to touchdown and ______ feet from the threshold:
Ave GS Total D D from threshold (photographer @ 500 and 900 ft)
100 kts - 2700 ft - 2200 ft - 1800 ft
120 kts - 3400 ft - 2900 ft - 2400 ft
140 kts - 4000 ft - 3500 ft - 3100 ft
160 kts - 4600 ft - 4100 ft - 3600 ft
You decide choose his ground speed and the photographer's position and decide.
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12-24-2008, 07:33 AM
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A little long... yes... dangerous.. no. Its severe clear and a dry runway. If the wind is blowing that can be a biatch of an approach.... flew it a couple of times in the 170.... at night.. now that will get your attention... years ago when I flew the ATR we flew it a ton.
12-24-2008, 04:47 PM
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hahahaahaha!! oh my... wow.
Infact, just for you....
Budweiser presents: real men of genius (real men of geniiuuuus). Today was salute you Mr. Backseat/I wasnt even in the airplane pilot judgement guy (Mr. Backseat/I wasnt even in the airplane pilot judgement guy!). You drool over airplanes so bad, at your first 500 hours... you certify yourself as an instant expert. Who needs to wait a lifetime to be a major airline captain... when you can judge all of them from Seat 43C in the back of coach, or even better from a lawn with a video camera. The only thing bigger than your love for flying.... your ego. Some say you need to get a life, some say you need to grow up, but we say, you need a beer.... a whole case of beer. (Mr. Backseat/I wasnt even in the airplane pilot judgement guy).
Infact, just for you....
Budweiser presents: real men of genius (real men of geniiuuuus). Today was salute you Mr. Backseat/I wasnt even in the airplane pilot judgement guy (Mr. Backseat/I wasnt even in the airplane pilot judgement guy!). You drool over airplanes so bad, at your first 500 hours... you certify yourself as an instant expert. Who needs to wait a lifetime to be a major airline captain... when you can judge all of them from Seat 43C in the back of coach, or even better from a lawn with a video camera. The only thing bigger than your love for flying.... your ego. Some say you need to get a life, some say you need to grow up, but we say, you need a beer.... a whole case of beer. (Mr. Backseat/I wasnt even in the airplane pilot judgement guy).
Not sure if you are calling me the backseat pilot, but if you were, I would ask you reread my post.
All I did was time the video from when the plane appears directly overhead to touchdown (17 seconds) and look at the satellite photo of the the 19 clearway. Then, based on a range of groundspeeds, calculated the distance covered (whiz wheel type stuff).
Personnally I despise Monday Morning Quarterbacks. That is why my only opinion/guess was that the photographer appeared to be 500 feet from the threshold based on the sat picture and the perspective on the last few seconds of film. The rest is a bit of math. Then, I left it up to others to decide his pilot's fatee.
12-26-2008, 04:21 PM
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If the aircraft was a little high and carrying a little extra airspeed, then straightening the aircraft in the flair may have resulted in floating further down the runway. They probably wanted to just get on the pavement. However, landing with a crab angle is OK.
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