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Old 10-22-2008, 02:01 PM
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On the flight last night I was reading the latest issue of 'FLYING' magazine. The cover photo and main article was on the Hawker 4000.

They give it great praise for performance, short field performance, comfort, the Honeywell Epic avionics suite, etc..... In essence they say in the article that although the Hawker class of business jets have always been popular and widely respected that this aircraft took all the goods of the past, fixed the flaws and will be a market leading SUPER mid-size aircraft

I thought that NJA was due to get quite few of these aircraft.

Would anyone out there like to sahre some first hand experience with the 4000? Any other fractionals or corporate flight depts getting the aircraft?
I still don't know if I could get use to those ram's horn yokes

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I still don't know if I could get use to those ram's horn yokes

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Believe me, you could get used to them in no time...really natural feeling. Kinda like, do you drive a car with your hands on the sides of the steering wheel, or on top?

Now I can imagine a stick in the left hand may take some getting used to (that German Airbus crosswind video on YouTube comes to mind).
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Ditto the "easiness" of the ram horns....pretty natural and you don't even think about it after a couple legs. It does make it tougher to fly with the knees however.
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Believe me, you could get used to them in no time...really natural feeling. Kinda like, do you drive a car with your hands on the sides of the steering wheel, or on top?
On the top actually - left hand resting on the top with the right hand resting on the stick shift. Would this make me like or dislike the horns more? I have heard they are more erogonomically styled. Even going back to flying wit the left hand and working the throotles with the right hand - I'm sure I'll have adjustments in any case

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Originally Posted by USMCFLYR
On the flight last night I was reading the latest issue of 'FLYING' magazine. The cover photo and main article was on the Hawker 4000.

They give it great praise for performance, short field performance, comfort, the Honeywell Epic avionics suite, etc..... In essence they say in the article that although the Hawker class of business jets have always been popular and widely respected that this aircraft took all the goods of the past, fixed the flaws and will be a market leading SUPER mid-size aircraft

I thought that NJA was due to get quite few of these aircraft.

Would anyone out there like to sahre some first hand experience with the 4000? Any other fractionals or corporate flight depts getting the aircraft?
I still don't know if I could get use to those ram's horn yokes

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The 4000 is a nice flying machine. I have flown both versions and can say that they really have tried hard to make them more advanced. They now have charts, XM weather, data link, etc. The airplane will make you lazy with the auto throttles. The back end is very nice, 6' standing with no steps on the sides of the aisle. I think (and this is me here) that the first software package had its thresholds too tight and you would see some errors that were not true and you had to honor the MEL and end up not going. Now, the software is more accurate and the plane has a higher dispatch reliability. It is a very easy plane to fly and looks great on the ramp. Oh, I like the rams horns, you can see the PFD much easier than a Boeing. I had to sit way up in the seat in the 757 to see the entire panel and I'm 5'11''
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We demo flew one. It was a great preformer and I actually liked the ramhorn yoke! However we talked to an operator of two of them and quickly took the 4000 off the list of possibilities!

Also , if I'm not mistaken, didnt NJ cancell all of its 4000 orders?
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Originally Posted by Jughead
Now I can imagine a stick in the left hand may take some getting used to (that German Airbus crosswind video on YouTube comes to mind).
Nah it takes about 10 seconds and it feels natural. The A-320 in a gusty crosswind on the other hand is pig but it has nothing to do with the stick. It's a flight control/programing issue.
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Who is eating the cost of reworking the midsection fuselage bonds on the existing Horizons? Where the steel bands that connect the fore and aft composite sections tend to rust out? Last I heard it was on the owners. Not a happy group.
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Originally Posted by Jughead
.....Now I can imagine a stick in the left hand may take some getting used to (that German Airbus crosswind video on YouTube comes to mind).
In the famous Lufthansa scraped-wingtip video at Hamburg, it was supposedly the FO who was flying.

Hoss, I never had an issue with crosswinds in the Bus, but I admit I'm not that experienced on it (flew it two years). To me, it might seem squirelly due to the transition from normal to direct law at---what was it? About 35 feet? That might make it feel different.
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