TBoneF15

Allright dude, ENOUGH. You have gone way over the line. You started an entire thread to lecture everyone else about alcohol, now you've started to flat out accuse other dudes of being alcoholic based solely on their posts. FOUL.

ToiletDuck

What did you learn about someone who tries to project their failures onto others as a means to establish himself as normal by portraying what he's gone through as a normal step in the process of life?

You assume that all who drink have failed in life as you did/have. You want to assume that it's a phase everyone goes through and you're normal for having done it. Both of these are false.

There is no right or wrong to a persons decisions. They are their own. Their decisions are not for you to make nor influence. That's being conceited. You think people want or need your evangelism. That's very arrogant. You're basically saying that you have reached a point of enlightenment that the rest of us are not capable of doing on our own. In reality it's the exact opposite. You aren't leading the pack with your wisdom you're actually acknowledging your inability to make conscious decisions in the first place and are now catching up while bringing your baggage with you.

Some are into partying while some aren't. I for one never pass up the opportunity. I've done some very crazy and wild things that I could write a book about and to me they are the reason life's worth living. I can't wait for the next time I get together with my friends and family for drinks and fun times. When I die and someone speaks at my funeral about my life they won't be sad and mellow but instead they'll smile and shout "Damn what a ride!". You're only young once, but if you work it right, once is enough. There's no rule on when you have to become old either.

BoredwLife

I had to read this like nine times to understand what it meant.

Ewfflyer

My signature line says it all........it's the internet, there's too many opinions and people willing to voice them. No one will truly agree 100%

PaintCan

Well, what did I just post?????Looks like someone has just moved up the seniority list.

Don't forget unions today are about themselves. Good luck getting any representation.

KC10 FATboy

I find that hard to believe ... but I was in the states at the time.

Seriously though, I would do Korea all over again and I'd probably sign up for the additional two years. Are liver transplants covered under Tri-Care?

-Fatty

proskuneho

Interesting analysis. I'm always open to tactful and considerate commentary that is intended to help instead of tear down. No, I am not perfect, I'll be the first to admit my faults (you will see that honesty in this and my other threads). Yes, I am sharing my personal discovery with everyone. Isn't that the point of a forum? Some people take it as a lecture, some people take it as a constructive dialogue. I intended constructive dialogue.
Sadly, there are so many people being defensive about partying. I never slammed anyone for partying. You say that I am making assumptions that those who drink are failing as I "used to;" and that I am conceited and arrogant for talking down to people. Go back and read through the conversations, and you'll probably see otherwise.
AGAIN - my only issue is with people that can't control themselves and are irresponsible. Wanna party? FINE! Just don't kill someone, show up to work drunk, press a hot iron on your wifes back (yes, I know someone), or do something else that you might regret for the rest of your life.

proskuneho

Not sure how many times I have to say it - this thread is not about bashing alcohol. Did I mention at least a dozen times that I enjoy alcohol responsibly ON A REGULAR BASIS?
This forum is intended to be constructive dialogue about the problems that excessive alcohol can cause. Why does every dissenter have to label my strong opinion as "lecturing"? Where is the dialogue? Why is nobody crying "foul" when people are rude to the one who is seeking to discuss an important issue? Double standard.

TBoneF15

From Websters:
lec·ture [lek-cher] noun, verb, -tured, -tur·ing. –noun 1.a speech read or delivered before an audience or class, esp. for instruction or to set forth some subject: a lecture on Picasso's paintings. 2.a speech of warning or reproof as to conduct; a long, tedious reprimand.

I'll tell you why...because you started an unsolicited, completely condescending, soap-box rant to fellow adults, none of whom has done anything wrong that you know of, and won't let up.

I'm sure everyone here agrees with your following points:
1) drinking and flying is bad
2) drinking and driving is bad
3) drinking and becoming violent is bad
4) drinking habitually (i.e. alcoholism) is bad and can ruin your life and those of your loved ones

Got it. Your points have been made and no one disagreed.

Many people disagree with you, however, that simply getting drunk once in a while is irresponsible. If they are not doing any of the above "bad" things, what is the big deal? But you created an entire thread to tell them that they are "wasting their life." Noted. Now when folks disagreed with you, in whatever sarcastic, typical pilot manner you would expect to find on a pilot forum, you started blaming alcohol for every problem on earth, including airline pilot pay and QOL (reference post #6). Get a grip! Then you tell a dude that simply because he flipped you grief, he must have an alcohol problem. After all, you've taken "master's level counseling classes." You are clearly qualified to diagnose over the internet.

Man, no matter how noble your intentions, you have executed poorly. It is an absolute complete foul to start telling folks they are alcoholics because you read 2 of their posts on the internet. You have no more credibility here. You have made your points, now YOU are the one insulting people. Enough.

proskuneho

Points well taken, and I agree for the most part. Delivery is not always my strong suit, I'm working on it. Thanks for the feedback. I have already apologized to anyone who took this as a lecture. As I posted early on, that was not my intent. Yes, I did label the thread with such a broad categorical statement "Getting Drunk is a Waste of Life." That's my personal opinion after quite a bit of experience getting drunk. I think there are a million better ways to find fun and adventure. Like everyone else on this forum, I am entitled to express my opinion. I agree that it should be respectful; and I agree that I came off as a little broad and harsh. But perhaps you would understand why I have said the things that I did if you knew the things that I have witnessed. I guess I have seen so many people hurt by alcohol, and I hate to see them hurt. In reality, I know that the people that did things to hurt those people can not blame the alcohol itself. Everyone needs to take responsibility for their own actions, alcohol or not. I just care about those people, and I don't want those things to happen to others. Might sound naive, but this has been my campaign.

Thanks again for the constructive feedback.