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Old 04-13-2008, 11:47 AM
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"you're damn right I would cross"

You'd be a scab. You'd be hurting yourself and your fellow pilots by being a scab. You aren't in this industry. I'd save the "I'd be a scab" comments until after you're in it a while.
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Originally Posted by LeoSV
I would then work while looking for a job in another industry because I would be fully aware that my co-worker would look down upon me for ever after that.
I know several pilots from our strike years ago that to this day still say that they wish they could do it all over again and not cross - 23 years after the strike.

I know one guy who was told by the company they would cancel his health insurance (wife had ms) if he didn't scab. Yet he picketed at LGA with his wife in her wheel-chair; she even worked in the strike center.

So "looking down on you" is a kind description of what you would be facing.

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Old 04-13-2008, 01:17 PM
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They were able to replace all the controllers.

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They most certainly did not replace all of the controllers. Quite a few, that's for certain, but not all of them.

I had a manager from a center, LAX as I recall, who said that the only reason they were able to recover is that the majority who didn't stay home were fully qualified controllers.

Had that not been the case, he stated they would have had to negotiate with PATCO.
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Old 04-13-2008, 02:44 PM
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A one day wildcat strike is one of the most effective things that pilots can do,remember that it is illegal for a reason. It would work! The laws in this country are written by the rich people and the corporations through their congressmen and senators. The laws are written so that anything that will work for the little guy is illegal. Therefore if you wish to stay perfectly legal you are doomed to lose by default. Just look at the past 30 years wages and QOL have been on a constant decline with a few very short term (and quickly reversed I might add) gains by pilots. A one day wildcat strike is a wonderful idea, by the way how would they punish us? Maybe a 50% pay cut and terminate our pensions, and make us fly the FAR's? Humm it seems they already did that..... Maybe they will shave our heads since there isn't much left that they can do.
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Old 04-13-2008, 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by LeoSV
yes, it is sad. economic cannibalism. But you know what, life is not black and white. if you have bills to pay, sometimes crossing a picket line is necessary. I would never cross a picket line in any industry if I didn't absolutely have to, but if I had babies that had to be fed at home, and a mortgage that was behind, you're damn right I would cross. My family is more important than your agenda. I would then work while looking for a job in another industry because I would be fully aware that my co-worker would look down upon me for ever after that.
You must be the only pilot with bills. I guess you love your kids more than any other pilot too.
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Old 04-13-2008, 05:47 PM
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"you're damn right I would cross"

You'd be a scab. You'd be hurting yourself and your fellow pilots by being a scab. You aren't in this industry. I'd save the "I'd be a scab" comments until after you're in it a while.
Is flying the only industry that has strikes and scabs?

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You must be the only pilot with bills. I guess you love your kids more than any other pilot too.
Well, if every other pilot would rather give the finger to the big guy than put food on the table, perhaps I do (I kidd, I kidd). I already said that I wouldn't cross any picket line, in any industry, unless I was in absolute dire need, and that doesn't mean having to pay off my mercedes, that means not having enough money to buy diapers and milk. And I wasn't talking about only flying either. I just took the opportunity to go off on a little tangent for conversation sake (and because I drank some leftover beers from yesterdays BBQ) since this thread was drifting anyway.
Most pilots make decent money, and if they have invested correctly, are totally able to strike and live for a little while without a paycheck, but you get into other industries like factory workers, coal miners, just your average blue collar career, that doesn't pay much but puts food on the table and gas in the tank, and striking for those folks becomes much harder.
It's sad that some unions have such a bad rap. After the "new deal", rising union membership was one of the major contributions to closing the wealth gap in this country.
A real threat of a pilot strike would be a serious thing because our nation's economy depends on the airline industry so much, but I honestly can't see what other choice there is with the airline execs making 100's of millions while pilot pay gets lower.
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Old 04-13-2008, 06:11 PM
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I reread the post and I still stand by what I said.

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We have as many as three hundred thousand pilots sitting on the sidelines. If a company were to fire every pilot there is a large reserve of guys like me who could come out of the woodwork if conditions were to become favorable.

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I think it's the term "guys like me.....were to become favorable" that turns my stomach. When Eastern went on strike there were alot of folks like me that just said no. I don't know your background, but you just don't seem to get it.

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I don't recall him saying he would be a scab. can you point to where he said that? He was saying that guys like him which are trained and ready to start class, Whether a previous 121 pilot, or somebody waiting to get into 121. There's TONS of 135, 91, CFI, furloughed, and pilots that quit (like skyhigh) that can be offered a job. Not all would take one, but I'm guessing most would.
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Old 04-14-2008, 05:27 AM
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Originally Posted by jonnyjetprop
I reread the post and I still stand by what I said.



I think it's the term "guys like me.....were to become favorable" that turns my stomach. When Eastern went on strike there were alot of folks like me that just said no. I don't know your background, but you just don't seem to get it.
I read his post wrong the first time, sorry. I only caught the "guys like me". I missed the "if conditions became favorable" part. I take back my first reply to you.
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