The Disney TFR
03-23-2008, 06:45 PM
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The Disney TFR
I was flying a XC today into Kissimmee and ATC vectored us over Disney @ 2500. I queried ATC of their intentions given the fact that we would be flying clear into the TFR over Disney, and he came back with...
"It's okay to fly through, but you just can't zig zag or anything like that."
What's the point of a TFR then? Either airplanes are allowed or not. Are all like this? I know that ATC approval would be approval from the administrator, but this seems to be a real grey area, given that I was the one who initiated the conversation.
Any input on this one?
"It's okay to fly through, but you just can't zig zag or anything like that."
What's the point of a TFR then? Either airplanes are allowed or not. Are all like this? I know that ATC approval would be approval from the administrator, but this seems to be a real grey area, given that I was the one who initiated the conversation.
Any input on this one?
03-23-2008, 06:59 PM
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Orlando is sometimes a little inconsistent with the Disney TFR. I wouldn't worry about it too much. Especially if they've given you a vector, they know what's going on. Just avoid busting it when you're squawking 1200 and not using flight following.
Really, it shouldn't be a Temporary Flight Restriction as it's a permanent condition, but it doesn't fall neatly into Special Use Airspace, either. Disney is simply part of the exquisite tapestry that is central Florida's airspace.
Really, it shouldn't be a Temporary Flight Restriction as it's a permanent condition, but it doesn't fall neatly into Special Use Airspace, either. Disney is simply part of the exquisite tapestry that is central Florida's airspace.
03-23-2008, 07:26 PM
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Even during a VIP TFR, you can usually (depending on the language) traverse the 10 to 30 NM ring provided you are squawking and with ATC and are not manuevering or loitering. Nothing inside 10 NM unless you have special permission (Airlines, Military and Police, Emergency Vehicle).
03-23-2008, 07:33 PM
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Why? There's no need to file if you get vectored through the TFR.
Since ATC is the controlling agency for this TFR, as long as they approve it and you are on a legitimate vector (IE Operational Purposes), you're good to go.
No pilots may operate an aircraft in the areas covered by this NOTAM (except as described).
This restriction does not apply to:
(A) Those aircraft authorized by ATC for operational or safety purposes, including aircraft arriving or departing from an airport using standard air traffic procedures;
This restriction does not apply to:
(A) Those aircraft authorized by ATC for operational or safety purposes, including aircraft arriving or departing from an airport using standard air traffic procedures;
03-23-2008, 08:12 PM
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Che Guevara
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You're fine. TFR just means you need to be talking to someone and cleared in. Generally flight training isn't allowed in a TFR. Aircraft usually can enter, leave, or cross through but can't takeoff and land within the same flight in the TFR. It's not for buzzing around. President Bush and Air Force One were always at my flight school so there was always a TFR in effect when in town. However we could fly so long as we had a flight plan filed and were with ATC.
03-23-2008, 11:57 PM
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I don't know if you were bing sarcastic or not, but I agree: File the NASA!
There have been cases where ATC vectored aircraft through other restricted airspace (as a courtesy) and the pilot was violated because (paraphrasing) the PIC should have know better.
Yes, ATC can vector one through restricted airspace when there is a safety of flight involved, but expedience is another matter.
Maybe I am overly paranoid...... but I still have my ticket!
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