Turboprops...will they make a comeback?

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03-21-2008, 02:48 PM

#21

The Juice

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TurboProps are the way of the future, the way of the future, the way of the future

03-23-2008, 02:53 PM

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PDQBoy

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FF difference comparison between RJ/200/700 & SF340

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Juice

TurboProps are the way of the future, the way of the future, the way of the future

Hey guys I only have experience with barons and MU2-B36 so would really like to know what type FF you are talking about with RJ-200 and SF340's. Like to come up with a pounds/seat mile comparison. For instance for the Mu2 it was .1877 lbs/seat/mile for the baron it was .1728 lbs/seat/mile.

Ex (Mu2)1978L model.
82gph X 6.8 X 1/270 X 1/11

Or Avg FF at cruise X 6.8 lbs/gal X 1/TAS X 1/seat capacity

Thanks

03-24-2008, 06:02 AM

#23

The Juice

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Quote:

Originally Posted by PDQBoy

Finding a true AVG FF would be hard to computer depending on the situation, remember the jet burns a lot of fuel on the ground in a long EWR taxi as well. Also remember TAS will vary on the route. Most of these TProp routes are short distance so a Jet would not have a true long term advantage on the Prop. Before you know it the Prop and Jet are both on the STAR and subject to the same STAR speeds.

I am willing to bet some smart guys came up with the numbers and it is in the Props favor otherwise we would not be seeing the prop numbers we are seeing.

04-05-2008, 09:11 PM

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check6

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BoredwLife

THIS GUY IS DRUNK ON THE KOOL-AID!!!!

ANVS? I counted once for an entire bid 67% of my flights for the entire 5 week bid ANVS was INOP/MEL.

SO they are maintence hogs but thats ok because when they do work 50% of the time its great? You have MANAGEMENT written all over you.

I'm in disagreement here. I merely showed appreciation to our company for purchasing more Q400's to sustain our future if any at all. I know it is hard to even fathom putting "Q400" and "sustain our future" in the same sentence, but it IS the money maker supposedly.

Besides that part of my post, any appreciation beyond that was towards the aircraft I fly. So I would say I am hardly even drinking the koolaid, but if you are extending a job offer, it does sound more lucrative than what I am doing.

I must not have had as much bad luck as you but I would have to agree the ANVS is frequently MEL'd. It is a system which is continually in use thereby requiring it to be replaced a lot.

Last edited by check6; 04-05-2008 at 09:19 PM. Reason: additional jibber

04-06-2008, 12:07 PM

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FlyJSH

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Quote:

Originally Posted by check6

I must not have had as much bad luck as you but I would have to agree the ANVS is frequently MEL'd. It is a system which is continually in use thereby requiring it to be replaced a lot.

a system which is continually in use? you mean like the engines??

(sorry, I kid, I kid)

01-13-2011, 04:24 AM

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atpwannabe

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Looks like we have two takers.....Horizon Air & Mesaba! Both are returning to an all TB prop fleet!

atp

01-13-2011, 04:38 AM

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usmc-sgt

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Quote:

Originally Posted by atpwannabe

Looks like we have two takers.....Horizon Air & Mesaba! Both are returning to an all TB prop fleet!

atp

First of all, you revived a thread from 2008.

Second...Mesaba was purchased by Pinnacle Corp and all of their jets are going over to the Pinnacle operating certificate. Colgan and Mesaba will be under the same operating certificate with Mesaba bringing Saabs and Colgan bringing Saabs and Dash 8s.

Its no so much that they are returning to an all turboprop fleet as Pinnacle Corp taking their CRJs and putting them on the Pinnacle operating cert.

01-13-2011, 08:00 AM

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jonnyjetprop

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I have to laugh at this one. I started flying in a BE-99. They told us that paxs wanted pressurization. So the commuters got SA-227 and BE1900. Then they said those were too small and we needed a bathroom and a flight attentant. So we got DHC-8, SF340 and ATR's. Then we were told that passengers wanted jets, so we got RJ's. Now that most airlines have RJ's what do passengers really want? A cheap ticket

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01-13-2011, 10:04 AM

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Cubdriver

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Fuel prices are what drives interest in bladed aircraft. Airlines have to plan far in advance for what they expect. If they see sustained high oil prices they will move to bladed fleets as replacements. Historically oil has not remained high long enough to cause a massive shift.