FAA reviewing football fly-over...By 17 year old pilot
11-05-2007, 08:40 PM
#21
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I definitely wasn't negating the seriousness of drinking and driving. By no means was that my intent. I was just saying that being young and stupid might actually have a slight chance in _____ of saving his butt from serious life altering prosecution in a DUI case. I wouldn't really want to explain either situation at the ripe old age of seventeen personally, it was just an observation on how screwed this kid is.
11-06-2007, 09:18 AM
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If I understand correctly, criminal charges may be filed against this kid if the FAA is able to convince themselves (as they write the rules, enforce the rules, and judge their own rules) that he placed peoples lives on the ground/in the plane in immediate danger.
Otherwise he is certainly going to face civil penalties.
Otherwise he is certainly going to face civil penalties.
11-06-2007, 05:39 PM
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huh, I agree that it was irresponsible, but I'm afraid I have to disagree with ya about not being criminal...
Finally, in addition to the other two regs, I'd tack on this one...
... yeah the kid was only 17, but very irresponsible nonetheless.
§ 91.119 Minimum safe altitudes: General.
Except when necessary for takeoff or landing, no person may operate an aircraft below the following altitudes:
(a) Anywhere. An altitude allowing, if a power unit fails, an emergency landing without undue hazard to persons or property on the surface.
(b) Over congested areas. Over any congested area of a city, town, or settlement, or over any open air assembly of persons, an altitude of 1,000 feet above the highest obstacle within a horizontal radius of 2,000 feet of the aircraft.
(c) Over other than congested areas. An altitude of 500 feet above the surface, except over open water or sparsely populated areas. In those cases, the aircraft may not be operated closer than 500 feet to any person, vessel, vehicle, or structure.
Except when necessary for takeoff or landing, no person may operate an aircraft below the following altitudes:
(a) Anywhere. An altitude allowing, if a power unit fails, an emergency landing without undue hazard to persons or property on the surface.
(b) Over congested areas. Over any congested area of a city, town, or settlement, or over any open air assembly of persons, an altitude of 1,000 feet above the highest obstacle within a horizontal radius of 2,000 feet of the aircraft.
(c) Over other than congested areas. An altitude of 500 feet above the surface, except over open water or sparsely populated areas. In those cases, the aircraft may not be operated closer than 500 feet to any person, vessel, vehicle, or structure.
§ 91.15 Dropping objects.
No pilot in command of a civil aircraft may allow any object to be dropped from that aircraft in flight that creates a hazard to persons or property. However, this section does not prohibit the dropping of any object if reasonable precautions are taken to avoid injury or damage to persons or property.
No pilot in command of a civil aircraft may allow any object to be dropped from that aircraft in flight that creates a hazard to persons or property. However, this section does not prohibit the dropping of any object if reasonable precautions are taken to avoid injury or damage to persons or property.
§ 91.13 Careless or reckless operation.
(a) Aircraft operations for the purpose of air navigation. No person may operate an aircraft in a careless or reckless manner so as to endanger the life or property of another.
(b) Aircraft operations other than for the purpose of air navigation. No person may operate an aircraft, other than for the purpose of air navigation, on any part of the surface of an airport used by aircraft for air commerce (including areas used by those aircraft for receiving or discharging persons or cargo), in a careless or reckless manner so as to endanger the life or property of another.
(a) Aircraft operations for the purpose of air navigation. No person may operate an aircraft in a careless or reckless manner so as to endanger the life or property of another.
(b) Aircraft operations other than for the purpose of air navigation. No person may operate an aircraft, other than for the purpose of air navigation, on any part of the surface of an airport used by aircraft for air commerce (including areas used by those aircraft for receiving or discharging persons or cargo), in a careless or reckless manner so as to endanger the life or property of another.
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11-06-2007, 08:50 PM
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"but I'm afraid I have to disagree with ya about not being criminal..."
I don't believe violating the FAR's is a criminal offense.
"Otherwise he is certainly going to face civil penalties"
Yeah, that. Has anyone gone to jail/prision for violating an FAR?
I don't believe violating the FAR's is a criminal offense.
"Otherwise he is certainly going to face civil penalties"
Yeah, that. Has anyone gone to jail/prision for violating an FAR?
11-06-2007, 09:25 PM
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In general, there are two broad categories of law: criminal and civil law.
In civil law, a private party (called a plaintiff) files suit against the defendant over any number of "torts." The losing party may have to pay money damages, but they never go to jail.
In criminal law, the state or government prosecutes a citizen for violations of the law. The punishment can be money and/or prison time.
The FAA is a governmental agency. It is represented by the Department of Justice, which is the only government entity that can prosecute people. At the minimum, I expect the FAA to revoke the kid's license and perhaps tell him to grow a pair real soon. The FAA cannot put the kid in jail. Now, the state may find itself involved if the kid (and God, please don't let him be an APC member) violated some state law.
In civil law, a private party (called a plaintiff) files suit against the defendant over any number of "torts." The losing party may have to pay money damages, but they never go to jail.
In criminal law, the state or government prosecutes a citizen for violations of the law. The punishment can be money and/or prison time.
The FAA is a governmental agency. It is represented by the Department of Justice, which is the only government entity that can prosecute people. At the minimum, I expect the FAA to revoke the kid's license and perhaps tell him to grow a pair real soon. The FAA cannot put the kid in jail. Now, the state may find itself involved if the kid (and God, please don't let him be an APC member) violated some state law.
11-06-2007, 09:35 PM
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Oh vega PLEASE tell you didn't write that on purpose. If I finally nailed you on a grammatical error, especially after the hate mail you and your lawyer friend sent me about my writing skills, I'm going to have a field day
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Stupid kid flew to low. I can't tell you how many times the teachers at TSTC wanted to know who toilet papered Baylor's campus.
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Stupid kid flew to low. I can't tell you how many times the teachers at TSTC wanted to know who toilet papered Baylor's campus.
11-06-2007, 09:52 PM
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Of course I wrote all that on purpose! I'm a little disappointed that you didn't catch the fact that each and every phrase had a grammatical, spelling or syntax error. Do you know how difficult and painful it was for me to write like that? And all because of some stupid kid who flies worse than I do!
That "hate mail" worked in rehabilitating you though.
Fly safe. I don't want to read about you (or anybody else) in the papers.
That "hate mail" worked in rehabilitating you though.
Fly safe. I don't want to read about you (or anybody else) in the papers.
11-07-2007, 08:05 AM
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Fly SAFELY. I know I'm going to regret getting into this whole grammar/spelling thing.....
Come on ya'll. This was a 17yr old who was apparently acting on a dare. He should've passed on the dare but what 17yr old does? I know I never did. I think there should be a fair amount of punishment but to end his flying "career" would be a bit much in my opinion. He will probably never fly for an airline but he should still be able to fly something.....maybe spotting fish in AK since he has displayed the ability to fly low and slow.
Go ahead, let me have it. I'm gonna take an a** whoopin' for my opinion I'm sure.
Come on ya'll. This was a 17yr old who was apparently acting on a dare. He should've passed on the dare but what 17yr old does? I know I never did. I think there should be a fair amount of punishment but to end his flying "career" would be a bit much in my opinion. He will probably never fly for an airline but he should still be able to fly something.....maybe spotting fish in AK since he has displayed the ability to fly low and slow.
Go ahead, let me have it. I'm gonna take an a** whoopin' for my opinion I'm sure.
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