SonicFlyer

Not sure if the mods will shut this down before it even gets started, but figured having its own thread could be interesting.


If anyone wants the technical side of the ballistics involved in the attempt, this guy provides pretty good commentary:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APZ6IrrCrcU

PilotdadCJDCMD

Why would the mods shut it down? Have you seen some other the other ridiculous topics covered on this site? We can't talk about the assassination attempt of a former president?

METO Guido

This is the 5th attempt on a prez candidate/campaign since I’m around, late Eisenhower era.

I think I know what Ernie Gann would say.

METO Guido

Make that 6, Wallace '72

rickair7777

Yeah nothing really new, just nobodies managed to come this close in about 40 years.

Although honestly while some say Trump got lucky I'd say the shooter got lucky to even nick him at all. At that range any proficient shooter could reliably hit a standard target, with a decent weapon... but this was obviously amateur hour and the weapon was probably junk. Of course the shooter was under pressure too.

Also SS was either seriously under-resourced or seriously screwed up to allow a vantage point like that to go uncovered for long enough. They have a very challenging job in general and I respect that, but within that radius it should be low-hanging fruit to cover a few roof-tops. Someone is getting fired soon.

SonicFlyer

Yup, the Secret Service and local LEOs completely botched this on many levels... the question is whether it was on purpose or just due to sheer incompetence?


Trump is incredibly lucky, and so was the entire country. We were about 1/4" from the start of a civil war.

It's no coincidence that this didn't happen until it became clear Trump is going to be the next President. And this will probably not be the last serious attempt between now and January. They want to make sure he never gets back into power.

Also I'm not a big Trump fan, but sheesh... standing up afterwards and shaking his fist after being shot.... gotta admire the resolve of that guy!

rickair7777

We are not going to entertain this line of discussion here, take it to facebook.

Possibly not. Most likely the RNC would have nominated one of the obvious alternates this week and they would have won by a landslide. Hopefully no huge upheaval. But I wouldn't absolutely rule it out. First thing that popped into my mind yesterday was a certain Arch Duke.

Ditto, I have to give him credit for that.

METO Guido

I’m not a political soul. But I’ll wager this, hasn’t gotten much safer around here for office seekers. Where for regular folks, let’s face it, you can get plugged just about anytime, anywhere. Which makes me marvel at the crowd’s lack of response to the get down commands. They clearly crave participation. Gawking, leaning in, recording, flipping off the press. Unreal. A freak found a freak hole, then missed into unsighted victims. Whereas JFK, wearing a spinal corset, recoiled from a nonlethal strike to give a bolt action marksman his 2nd chance from about half the range on a moving target. These rallies are magnets for crazies. Prigozhin was a fool. No way a Putin, Kim or Xi will take chances like that. Would you?

MstrAv8r

They is no way that little inbred did this alone. Since the inbred shooter got his head popped like a melon by counter-sniper fire (and teeth blown out, consequently. Saw that one other time in person, not pretty), we will never know the truth. Dead men tell no tales. In my opinion, there is absolutely no way that a lone gunman found a hole in security, set up a ladder, and got on that roof. I don’t know how many of you have been on a USSS detail, but I have. The amount of planning that went into that simple QRF that I was a part of was pretty intense. John Wilkes Booth didn’t act alone, and Lee Harvey Oswald probably didn’t either.

rickair7777

Sure he did. This was amateur night, every sniper, sof operator, and SWAT dude in the country knows that. Said inbred would be an exceptionally unreliable patsy to pull off something like this, ergo nobody would bother with such a futile attempt. Especially not whichever omnipotent deep state, corporate interest, foriegn government, reptillian illuminati might be behind such a hypothetical conspiracy.

Most or all COCOMS have a USSS support plan, many of us have read them. You may be missing the fact that an ex-president / candidate would be lucky to get 10% of the resources allocated to POTUS, for a very, very good reason: POTUS is CiC and a key link in the strategic deterrence chain. That might change going forward, wouldn't be a good look for the executive's political opponent to get whacked due to lack of protection provided by said executive.

Yes USSS screwed up IMO, the geomtery of this is such that it should have been preventable and any skilled marksman can see that. But conspiracy makes no sense.

Besides, who would have a motive? Not the other party... their *best* shot in Nov (slim as it is) is that DJT motivates the blue base. If he were taken out, the RNC would simply nominate a couple people who would win in a landslide due to being young, professional, not mentally impaired, plus sympathy for the martyr. DJT as a martyr is the worst possible case for them, and as Sonic pointed out, that might even result in a regime change much sooner than Jan. So who put the inbred up to it? Niki? She just has to wait four years, is she impatient?

Gonna need much stronger tin foil to make this case. This isn't the grassy knoll, there aren't any other shooters, nobody other than PRC has a motive and they wouldn't remotely risk a nuclear war when they are currently outmatched 20-1 on warheads with questionable delivery systems.