galaxy flyer

I take it you don't have any long experience working in government. A GS-12 or Major can stop all kinds of things. As a WingCC used to say, "we're the only military where a sergeant can stop a general".


If billionaires get away scot-free, it's because of the permanent bureaucracy assenting to Congressional pressures. The bureaucracy doesn't care about billionaires, only expanding their domain and political gains. The "deep state" is a GS-14 out-waiting the Deputy Underscretary on Environmental Affairs of the DoEd.

Bestglide

He missed and Trump got lucky. From what I have read Trump had turned his head the last second to look at a teleprompter saving his life. Not sure the validity but the shooter was interrupted in his last few seconds by members of the crowd and a LEO nearby. I'm not saying this crazy kid was a good shot or not, but it would seem he had to hurry up and just fire them off to fulfill his insane mission.

rickair7777

Yes it sounds likely that he was interrupted, as he should have been. He should have been interrupted sooner, somebody other than rando spectators should have monitored that building, somebody should have been posted on one of those roofs and frankly the SS snipers should have just dropped a guy who showed up on any nearby roof with an assault rifle, no questions asked.

All the SS team should have known immediately that something was amiss and done their protocol to get Trump out of harm's way... we have dude climbing on roof, cop is aware and investigates, gets a weapon pointed at his face, dude moves into postion and fires multiple rounds before SS is anywhere near Trump.

Whatever their code word is should have gone out over the radio before the shots were fired... somebody should have called it away, the cop when somebody told him about a guy with a rifle on a roof, the cop after he saw the rifle, or the SS snipers.

Alibi: Trump might share some blame if he restricted where the SS agents could be positioned. No idea, but that's a common enough challenge in the personal protection biz, non-cooperative principals.

Dude may have practiced hitting paper targets but that's not quite the same as combat or a situation where you're not in perfect control of the environment and timing.

Based on how wide all the other rounds went, I'm not giving him any credit for a good first shot. And Trump didn't move his head that much, that's obvious from the video, worst case he'd have had a skull graze and a concussion. Although I'm sure he *felt* pretty darn lucky lol, not denying that.

Bestglide

He absolutely should have been interrupted sooner. He never should have had an opportunity to shoot in the first place.
Again not sure the validity, but I've read that the SS were told to stand down at first. If true Whoever gave that order needs to be fired and investigated. This whole thing stinks to high heaven. I'm hopeful eventually this will be investigated and heads will roll.

Rama

The takeaway here is that the Secret Service did a horrible job. A shooter on a white rooftop in broad daylight 150 yards away and no one saw it or considered the security implications. There are videos of spectators pointing out the shooter climbing on the roof and there was no real response until the shots were fired. They did a good job taking him out, but really behind the curve on this.
They're job is protection by prevention not after the fact.

rickair7777

Heads will roll, Biden will have to fire the head of SS no way around that, whoever was in charge on the ground, and any rank and file people who might have not been paying attention.

DogPit

This administration has never fired anyone for gross incompetence, they aren't going to start now.

Excargodog

speaking of SES "permanent government" types...

rickair7777

Bet they make an exception this one time... if he doesn't fire her, and something happens to DJT between now and Nov, there might be some "civil unrest". Maybe a lot of it.

rickair7777

Well USSS is one of the agencies where you'd actually expect the leader to be a long-time member who came up through the rank and file.

Like they won't appoint some big donor's socialite trophy wife to be head of the FBI, or a USAF shoe clerk to head JSOC.

Fresh blood and outside perspective is good for large business and bureaucratic organizations, but USSS is a special case IMO. Although if they decide it needs a real house-cleaning, who knows.