7/13 Trump assassination attempt
07-14-2024, 10:43 PM
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They is no way that little inbred did this alone. Since the inbred shooter got his head popped like a melon by counter-sniper fire (and teeth blown out, consequently. Saw that one other time in person, not pretty), we will never know the truth. Dead men tell no tales. In my opinion, there is absolutely no way that a lone gunman found a hole in security, set up a ladder, and got on that roof. I don’t know how many of you have been on a USSS detail, but I have. The amount of planning that went into that simple QRF that I was a part of was pretty intense. John Wilkes Booth didn’t act alone, and Lee Harvey Oswald probably didn’t either.
07-15-2024, 04:24 AM
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Someone who could shoot? Had Trump not turned his head in the direction of the shooter when he did that round would have penetrated his skull. Call it luck, providence, fate, or divine intervention, the fact is Trump was a gesture from death.
07-15-2024, 05:37 AM
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07-15-2024, 05:41 AM
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It rarely does in the myopic viewpoint... It was absolutly no coincidence this happened after everyone realized Trump is likely to be the next President again.
The deep state has a lot of interests to protect. Remember he has recently spoken about dismantling a lot of it. JFK said similar things too.
The Dems are really in a no-win situation that they put themselves in.
The deep state has a lot of interests to protect. Remember he has recently spoken about dismantling a lot of it. JFK said similar things too.
The Dems are really in a no-win situation that they put themselves in.
07-15-2024, 05:42 AM
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They is no way that little inbred did this alone. Since the inbred shooter got his head popped like a melon by counter-sniper fire (and teeth blown out, consequently. Saw that one other time in person, not pretty), we will never know the truth. Dead men tell no tales. In my opinion, there is absolutely no way that a lone gunman found a hole in security, set up a ladder, and got on that roof. I don’t know how many of you have been on a USSS detail, but I have. The amount of planning that went into that simple QRF that I was a part of was pretty intense. John Wilkes Booth didn’t act alone, and Lee Harvey Oswald probably didn’t either.
07-15-2024, 07:39 AM
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The elite power players, who have always existed in human agrarian society, are the same as they've always been. In the 21st century they don't need to risk prison or other consequences by murdering people (especially high profile people), because they can simply influence the government with money and privilege.
From my perspective, having seen it up close, the real "deep state" is the legion of bureaucrats in the beltway. They are not particularly powerful, and their intellect and creatitivity is limited. Their goals are, in order...
1. Preservation of their comfortable position.
2. Maybe acquiring a bit more largesse for themselves, although that's pretty limited in the constraints of the civil service.
3. Growth. Big government HAS to be a growth industry because unlike the private sector you can't get bonuses and raises for exceptional performance. The only path to more income is moving up the GS scale which requires more subordinates to justify it. They call it "empire building".
4. Driving a certain political agenda. Many of these folks went to particular schools, near DC, and were attracted to government from day one. They tend to lean heavily in one political direction. They have an advantage... if they don't like what the elected/appointed bosses are doing they can often just stall until somebody else is elected. I've seen it up close and personal with senior appointed military leaders, and it's the same with civilians and elected officials.
But the DC bureaucrats are not capable or brave enough to attempt to assassinate anyone... the tiny handful of folks who actually could do something like that are in the CIA SAC (or FBI HRT), and they're all ex-tier one military, ie patriots who typically have a different political position than most folks in the beltway.
The elites don't care about the "deep state", it doesn't affect them, only us little people.
07-15-2024, 08:10 AM
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Worth mentioning that Booth did not act alone, there was a conspiracy, albiet a small one, and it's well documented. But you can see a plausible motive for such a conspiracy... Lincoln presided over a four-year civil war, with nearly a million dead and Atlanta burned to the ground. Bound to be some hard feelings.
07-15-2024, 08:54 AM
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IMO we have evolved a "deep state" but it's not what you think it is.
The elite power players, who have always existed in human agrarian society, are the same as they've always been. In the 21st century they don't need to risk prison or other consequences by murdering people (especially high profile people), because they can simply influence the government with money and privilege.
From my perspective, having seen it up close, the real "deep state" is the legion of bureaucrats in the beltway. They are not particularly powerful, and their intellect and creatitivity is limited. Their goals are, in order...
1. Preservation of their comfortable position.
2. Maybe acquiring a bit more largesse for themselves, although that's pretty limited in the constraints of the civil service.
3. Growth. Big government HAS to be a growth industry because unlike the private sector you can't get bonuses and raises for exceptional performance. The only path to more income is moving up the GS scale which requires more subordinates to justify it. They call it "empire building".
4. Driving a certain political agenda. Many of these folks went to particular schools, near DC, and were attracted to government from day one. They tend to lean heavily in one political direction. They have an advantage... if they don't like what the elected/appointed bosses are doing they can often just stall until somebody else is elected. I've seen it up close and personal with senior appointed military leaders, and it's the same with civilians and elected officials.
^^^^THIS^^^^
I've worked with the GS supergrades (SES and STS) and had GS-14s and 15s as nominal subordinates.
https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-over...utive-service/
https://www.opm.gov/faq/ses/whats-the-difference-between-ses-st-and-sl-positions-2.
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Generally speaking, they consider themselves the "permanent government" and whichever party is in power only the latest group of interlopers who represent either an irritation or an opportunity to get on with their version of how the government ought to be run.
Most are past masters of passive aggressive behavior if they find themselves under an administration (or military leader) that has a plan contrary to their preferred one and generally are able to wait them out and are not above submarining them if they become too troublesome. The classic historical example was Jimmy Carter, very much an outsider who wanted to change things. From the moment he gave his speech on 'zero-based' budgeting, a business strategy where they would actually have to justify their existence based upon actual merit annually, the knives came out since he became an existential threat to their way of life.
An excerpt:
To have a strict control over spending, there will be no new programs implemented under my administration unless we can be sure that the cost of those programs is compatible with my goal of having a balanced budget before the end of that term. And this will require delay in the implementation of costly programs if they are proposed; the quick phasing out of those which have already served their useful purpose; the phasing in of programs to make the present programs work before new programs that are costly are implemented; top, zero-based management of the budget; and combined with a sunset law to automatically terminate or to reassess for termination those programs that have been initiated and have long past served their usefulness.
This has got to be done. We don't have any way now to predict what's going to happen next. So I would say the overall thing would be tough management for the White House. What we have now obviously is whenever something goes wrong, with mismanagement in the government, whether it involves the FBI or the CIA or the Medicaid program, nobody's responsible. I think the President ought to be responsible, and, as such, I will be responsible.
The American people have got to look some place for leadership, and that leadership, as I said many times, has got to come out of the White House.
This has got to be done. We don't have any way now to predict what's going to happen next. So I would say the overall thing would be tough management for the White House. What we have now obviously is whenever something goes wrong, with mismanagement in the government, whether it involves the FBI or the CIA or the Medicaid program, nobody's responsible. I think the President ought to be responsible, and, as such, I will be responsible.
The American people have got to look some place for leadership, and that leadership, as I said many times, has got to come out of the White House.
07-15-2024, 09:57 AM
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No, he missed. From the perspective of someone who could have hit a 12" x 18" target all day long using iron sights at that range.
Lot of shots fired and they were all over the map... one nicked Trump, but none of the agents got hit, only random people in the stands. Not even a little bit of skill or professionalism. Spray and pray.
Don't believe me, ask anybody you know with relevant experience, there are a lot of such people out there including any infantry grunt or marine.
Lot of shots fired and they were all over the map... one nicked Trump, but none of the agents got hit, only random people in the stands. Not even a little bit of skill or professionalism. Spray and pray.
Don't believe me, ask anybody you know with relevant experience, there are a lot of such people out there including any infantry grunt or marine.
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