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06-23-2024, 09:27 PM

#91

ExperimentalAB

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Originally Posted by symbian simian

The difference is way smaller than you think or want to admit.

No, it really isn’t. You are absurd for taking another’s words, spinning it through that demented, woke brain of yours and spitting out accusations that attack the very character of the person. People like you are the problem.

06-23-2024, 09:48 PM

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ReluctantEskimo

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Originally Posted by ExperimentalAB

Yeah... you're off the rails.

Look at the hateful words you're using.

Every accusation you make is a confession.

06-24-2024, 01:01 AM

#93

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Originally Posted by Bestglide

This is exactly why we need to push against this small group that makes us all seem like dim wittied idiots to the public.

I wonder if the public cares what we call the thingy we sit and fly in, but making a scene about a change in its name or a rallying cry against its change does make us seem less focused on flying airplanes. And less respectable…

06-24-2024, 01:04 AM

#94

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Originally Posted by CBreezy

Then you haven't been paying attention. At least once a month someone says something discriminatory or off-color about a different race, about women or about LGBT either in the form of a bad joke or just plain derisive

Or Boomers. But they're not a protected group. It's open season on them on the Meme Page.

06-24-2024, 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by highfarfast

Life has to be pretty good for everyone and the world really has no real problems if we are spending time and money changing words/terms from cockpit to flight deck and from notice to airmen to notice to air mission.

Right?

BINGO!!! That perfectly describes the current status of American society.

06-24-2024, 03:00 AM

#96

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Originally Posted by CBreezy

And from your article: "Many women have heard a variation of ‘It is called a cockpit for a reason’ by a male pilot, suggesting that women do not belong in the piloting profession,"

So while that is the origin of the word, some people have been using it in other ways.

In my decades in this business I've never heard someone use that word in that context. Ever.

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Originally Posted by Guppydriver95

I was hired 29 years ago. If that type of nonsense used to be spouted by some pilots, it’s ancient history, because I never heard people say it. I’m sure in the 60’s and 70’s, things were different, but the industry has evolved, and this is simply a solution in search of a problem.

Probably, I never heard it used that way

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Originally Posted by CBreezy

I've heard it and I wasn't hired 29 years ago. Granted, only a few times but I've definitely heard it. I usually hear every few months/few times a year how women don't belong in aviation.

Really? Decades in the biz, I never heard that word used in such context while in duty.

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Originally Posted by CBreezy

I didn't write the guide. Ask them. I'm just pointing out that just because the origin of a word is one thing doesn't mean words' meanings haven't been changed to be insulting. There are A LOT of examples of this but I'm not going to get into it.

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Originally Posted by Guppydriver95

While being inclusive is a noble goal, ignorance of the English language and to history is no way to attain that goal. It always has been, and always will be a cockpit. If you take offense to that term, the issue is your ignorance, not the term’s lack of inclusivity.

Like all this "realignment" and redefinitions and guidelines that border on suppression ALPA chose to publish this, we've got larger fires to fight than this. I'm really disappointed they put this out there.

06-24-2024, 03:45 AM

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Originally Posted by highfarfast

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I look at it as a diversion from the growing concerns at the forefront before the population. Health Care issues/choices resulting leading to prosecutorial overreach... the economy, invasion of religious tenets by politicians in schools and society... deprevasion of choices in personal lives... just to identify some issues. So yeah... arguments of Cockpit vs Flight Deck... NOTAMen vs NOTAMission... P/As. Ladies and Gentlemen... vs Folks. A well deserved and humorous diversion from issues tearing our country apart.