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Old 06-21-2024, 06:07 AM
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Originally Posted by ReluctantEskimo
You people are scary and hypocrites. Especially as you work in a union.
Too many want a union for themselves and nobody else. Hypocrites is an apt description.
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Old 06-21-2024, 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Halon1211
I can think back to when I was a kid in Texas and school would start at the very beginning of September.

nowadays schools are going back as early August! I know just about everybody hates it but yet administrators say it’s better.

I’ve even read reports that it’s starting to hurt the tourism industry in the summer.

just wondering how Airlines are affected not sure about the rest of the country but I know in Texas it’s gotten out of hand with school starting so soon.

I know typically airline summer is from Labor Day to memorial day (May to September)

https://www.ksat.com/education/2017/06/15/large-school-district-starting-earlier-this-year-worrying-tourism-industry/
It's not just Texas.
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Old 06-21-2024, 07:12 AM
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I absolutely do not believe civil servants should have unions. I served for decades without a union. Gov is plenty generous as it is.

Teachers union president fighting tooth and nail to keep teachers in the comfort of their own homes and kids out of school after covid was the final straw.
You must've served in the good part of the .gov because they way our senior leaders treat junior military and enlisted members is borderline criminal.

But hey, patriotism, America and "needs of the service" and all that garbage that brainwashes people into believing giving your life and body, even if completely unnecessary.

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Old 06-21-2024, 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
Point to a well funded school system that is? I know a lot of teachers across the US. None of them are indoctrinating or telling them what to think. None of them want them to be conservatives or liberal. Every single one just wants them to succeed and go to college or tech school and make a good living.
So here's an interesting take... I ran into a teenage kid at our Yacht Club pool wearing a MAGA hat. He must have been maybe 15 or so. I was talking to his mom and she said he loves wearing that hat even to school games, etc. Interesting choice of hats for a 15 year old, but OK... I asked him if any of his teachers ever commented on the hat. He said he's run into a couple who told him it was a hateful hat, and his response was a very simple "I disagree with you." Then they tried to berate him and convince him otherwise, and the kid being stubborn said, well, you're entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine... I don't see "Make America Great Again" as a hateful message unless you're the enemy of this country. The kid cracked me up...

When I went to high school, it didn't matter which side of the political spectrum you aligned with, a good teacher would make you defend it and ask tough questions, and the best part of the whole thing would be that the teacher would never reveal either directly or indirectly which way they lean in the political spectrum. We both know that's not the case today, especially with young, idealistic teachers, journalists, etc...


Are there some bad teachers? Sure. There are bad pilots and lawyers and doctors too. But it's absurd to claim that the entire entire educational system is failing and indoctrinating children en mass
Yes, these days, the SYSTEM is failing because it's been infiltrated by the activists pushing an agenda, not people passionate about producing tomorrow's leaders. That's why today there's far more emphasis on activism and social "justice" and way less on STEM.
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Old 06-21-2024, 08:23 AM
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So here's an interesting take... I ran into a teenage kid at our Yacht Club pool wearing a MAGA hat. He must have been maybe 15 or so. I was talking to his mom and she said he loves wearing that hat even to school games, etc. Interesting choice of hats for a 15 year old, but OK... I asked him if any of his teachers ever commented on the hat. He said he's run into a couple who told him it was a hateful hat, and his response was a very simple "I disagree with you." Then they tried to berate him and convince him otherwise, and the kid being stubborn said, well, you're entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine... I don't see "Make America Great Again" as a hateful message unless you're the enemy of this country. The kid cracked me up...

When I went to high school, it didn't matter which side of the political spectrum you aligned with, a good teacher would make you defend it and ask tough questions, and the best part of the whole thing would be that the teacher would never reveal either directly or indirectly which way they lean in the political spectrum. We both know that's not the case today, especially with young, idealistic teachers, journalists, etc...




Yes, these days, the SYSTEM is failing because it's been infiltrated by the activists pushing an agenda, not people passionate about producing tomorrow's leaders. That's why today there's far more emphasis on activism and social "justice" and way less on STEM.
See, that's the problem. MAGA is antagonistic. The entire premise of the movement is to get in people's faces and generate a negative reaction. It isn't about "making America great again" and to claim it is being intentionally obtuse. The kid was wearing it solely because he KNOWS people find it offensive. And taking the opinion of a 15 year old claiming he was berated is absurd. You could tell a 15 year old to clean his room and they'd pretend like you asked them to cut an arm off.

You are taking very limited anecdotes and projecting them across the entire system. It couldn't be that the system has been under attack for decades and that it is perpetually underfunded and overly scrutinized. Or that the main recruiting tool is not money but "passion.". And to claim that "back in the day, all the teachers were neutral" is also absurd. When I went to school, teachers routinely encouraged students to attend religious gatherings with them. Does that sound neutral to you? I don't know why I asked. I'm sure it does.

And every school I've visited or read about in the past few years, their main advertisment was how good their STEM program is. Not sure why you think high schools are pushing social justice over stem.
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Old 06-21-2024, 08:32 AM
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This narrative that public schools are bad is just the latest iteration of 60 year war on public education.

The rich, who send their kids to private schools, have always been sore over the fact that they have to contribute to public education and gain no benefit. And God forbid they pay for something they don't use.

It started with "integrated schools." Then "corrupt teacher's unions." 2024's version is "indoctrination."

MAGA eats it all up without question. And will gladly burn down their own houses to serve their leaders.
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Old 06-21-2024, 08:34 AM
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Well it only took a page and now it’s the usual MAGAtards vs libtards. Why can’t we just bully the pro-67 nerds? That was way more fun…
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
See, that's the problem. MAGA is antagonistic. The entire premise of the movement is to get in people's faces and generate a negative reaction. It isn't about "making America great again" and to claim it is being intentionally obtuse. The kid was wearing it solely because he KNOWS people find it offensive. And taking the opinion of a 15 year old claiming he was berated is absurd. You could tell a 15 year old to clean his room and they'd pretend like you asked them to cut an arm off.
You don't suppose homosexuality and all the freakshow public nudity shows surrounding the LGBTQ+-EIEIO is antagonistic to many people as well? Why is that tolerated and getting a whole month celebration, but saying Make America Great Again is a taboo because the lefites don't like an individual running under it?


You are taking very limited anecdotes and projecting them across the entire system. It couldn't be that the system has been under attack for decades and that it is perpetually underfunded and overly scrutinized. Or that the main recruiting tool is not money but "passion.". And to claim that "back in the day, all the teachers were neutral" is also absurd. When I went to school, teachers routinely encouraged students to attend religious gatherings with them. Does that sound neutral to you? I don't know why I asked. I'm sure it does.
So here's the interesting part about this argument... because it has been underfunded, it was seen as the perfect breeding ground for activism vs. education. I used my anecdotal experience, but it seemed far more common back in the day, than seeing an activist. Today, thanks to social media, it's far worse.

And every school I've visited or read about in the past few years, their main advertisment was how good their STEM program is. Not sure why you think high schools are pushing social justice over stem.
They have to emphasize STEM, but the test scores seem to be telling a different story.
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Old 06-21-2024, 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by RJSAviator76
You don't suppose homosexuality and all the freakshow public nudity shows surrounding the LGBTQ+-EIEIO is antagonistic to many people as well? Why is that tolerated and getting a whole month celebration, but saying Make America Great Again is a taboo because the lefites don't like an individual running under it?
The key difference is that LGBTQ+ just wants to live. It affects no one.

MAGA wants to strip citizenship of fellow citizens they don't approve of. Don't believe me? It's on the platform.

If you can't see the difference between a personal choice or a position that directly attacks others, then I can't help you.
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
See, that's the problem. MAGA is antagonistic. The entire premise of the movement is to get in people's faces and generate a negative reaction. It isn't about "making America great again" and to claim it is being intentionally obtuse. The kid was wearing it solely because he KNOWS people find it offensive. And taking the opinion of a 15 year old claiming he was berated is absurd. You could tell a 15 year old to clean his room and they'd pretend like you asked them to cut an arm off.

You are taking very limited anecdotes and projecting them across the entire system. It couldn't be that the system has been under attack for decades and that it is perpetually underfunded and overly scrutinized. Or that the main recruiting tool is not money but "passion.". And to claim that "back in the day, all the teachers were neutral" is also absurd. When I went to school, teachers routinely encouraged students to attend religious gatherings with them. Does that sound neutral to you? I don't know why I asked. I'm sure it does.

And every school I've visited or read about in the past few years, their main advertisment was how good their STEM program is. Not sure why you think high schools are pushing social justice over stem.
No, it is not "antagonistic". Democrats tried to characterize it that way after they lost the election because they wanted to win future elections. It is nothing but political strategy to turn something as innocent as "Make America Great Again" into something that it is not. Don't get mad because that strategy is starting to fail as Americans are becoming fed up with Democrats and their misplaced priorities and disastrous policies.
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