Ukraine conflict
04-27-2023, 07:38 AM
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https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/03/13...nt%20in%202022.
Not saying that the gdp numbers are false, but what are the “facts”? Who is determining the numbers?
dont call a fact a fact unless you know. Otherwise you are just spilling propaganda no?
I find it very hard to believe with their military spending, loss of international business, and reduction in oil, that their economy is just bustling along. Again could be true, but be a skeptic and not just spout pro Russian rhetoric.
nothing on the internet is a “fact” lol. I thought most adults have figured this out by now
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04-27-2023, 08:33 AM
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don’t trust Russian propaganda and the folks that spread it
https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/03/13...nt%20in%202022.
Not saying that the gdp numbers are false, but what are the “facts”? Who is determining the numbers?
dont call a fact a fact unless you know. Otherwise you are just spilling propaganda no?
I find it very hard to believe with their military spending, loss of international business, and reduction in oil, that their economy is just bustling along. Again could be true, but be a skeptic and not just spout pro Russian rhetoric.
nothing on the internet is a “fact” lol. I thought most adults have figured this out by now
https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/03/13...nt%20in%202022.
Not saying that the gdp numbers are false, but what are the “facts”? Who is determining the numbers?
dont call a fact a fact unless you know. Otherwise you are just spilling propaganda no?
I find it very hard to believe with their military spending, loss of international business, and reduction in oil, that their economy is just bustling along. Again could be true, but be a skeptic and not just spout pro Russian rhetoric.
nothing on the internet is a “fact” lol. I thought most adults have figured this out by now
WASHINGTON, April 6 (Reuters) - The World Bank on Thursday lifted its 2023 economic growth forecast for eastern Europe and central Asia to 1.4% from an earlier 0.1% prediction, citing improved outlooks for both Russia and Ukraine despite their ongoing war.
Reporting by David Lawder Editing by Tomasz Janowski
Reporting by David Lawder Editing by Tomasz Janowski
https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/04/24...-russia-china/
In the meantime, the International Monetary Fund gives their opinion:
In the short term, however, the IMF expects global growth of 2.8% this year and 3% in 2024, slightly below the fund’s estimates published in January. The new estimates are a cut of 0.1 percentage point for both this year and next.
“The anemic outlook reflects the tight policy stances needed to bring down inflation, the fallout from the recent deterioration in financial conditions, the ongoing war in Ukraine, and growing geoeconomic fragmentation,” the IMF said in the same report.
Looking at some of the regional breakdowns, the IMF sees the United States economy expanding by 1.6% this year and the euro zone growing by 0.8%. However, the United Kingdom is seen contracting by 0.3%.
China’s GDP is expected to increase by 5.2% in 2023, according to the IMF, and India’s by 5.9%. The Russian economy — which contracted by more than 2% in 2022 — is seen growing by 0.7% this year.
“The anemic outlook reflects the tight policy stances needed to bring down inflation, the fallout from the recent deterioration in financial conditions, the ongoing war in Ukraine, and growing geoeconomic fragmentation,” the IMF said in the same report.
Looking at some of the regional breakdowns, the IMF sees the United States economy expanding by 1.6% this year and the euro zone growing by 0.8%. However, the United Kingdom is seen contracting by 0.3%.
China’s GDP is expected to increase by 5.2% in 2023, according to the IMF, and India’s by 5.9%. The Russian economy — which contracted by more than 2% in 2022 — is seen growing by 0.7% this year.
Now of course everybody could be wrong - a killer asteroid could take out the whole planet - but amongst the people in the business of economic predictions, nobody is seeing the economic sanctions as being highly effective.
04-27-2023, 08:35 AM
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don’t trust Russian propaganda and the folks that spread it
https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/03/13...nt%20in%202022.
Not saying that the gdp numbers are false, but what are the “facts”? Who is determining the numbers?
dont call a fact a fact unless you know. Otherwise you are just spilling propaganda no?
I find it very hard to believe with their military spending, loss of international business, and reduction in oil, that their economy is just bustling along. Again could be true, but be a skeptic and not just spout pro Russian rhetoric.
nothing on the internet is a “fact” lol. I thought most adults have figured this out by now
https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/03/13...nt%20in%202022.
Not saying that the gdp numbers are false, but what are the “facts”? Who is determining the numbers?
dont call a fact a fact unless you know. Otherwise you are just spilling propaganda no?
I find it very hard to believe with their military spending, loss of international business, and reduction in oil, that their economy is just bustling along. Again could be true, but be a skeptic and not just spout pro Russian rhetoric.
nothing on the internet is a “fact” lol. I thought most adults have figured this out by now
RU has more flexibility to work around sanctions and re-jigger their export/import economy for the long-term if necessary, more so than than countries like Iran or DPRK.
But it still hurts, and they're only sucking it up because Vlad doesn't have a choice, he painted himself into a pretty tight corner. His policy is enabled by a significant demographic of mostly older folks who generally support him, and approve of violence as a means of enhancing RU prestige and empire.
04-27-2023, 08:36 AM
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Got it. You aren’t denying facts…just refusing to believe any that don’t fit your preconceptions. And anyone that does is a naive follower of commie propaganda. There must be a lot of those around worldwide.
My opinion is that the US sanctions have served to largely heal the long standing Sino-Russian rift and induced the BRICS nations to undermine the primacy of the dollar in world trade. Others have a similar opinion:
https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/04/24...-russia-china/
In the meantime, the International Monetary Fund gives their opinion:
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/04/11/imf-...ntil-2025.html
Now of course everybody could be wrong - a killer asteroid could take out the whole planet - but amongst the people in the business of economic predictions, nobody is seeing the economic sanctions as being highly effective.
My opinion is that the US sanctions have served to largely heal the long standing Sino-Russian rift and induced the BRICS nations to undermine the primacy of the dollar in world trade. Others have a similar opinion:
https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/04/24...-russia-china/
In the meantime, the International Monetary Fund gives their opinion:
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/04/11/imf-...ntil-2025.html
Now of course everybody could be wrong - a killer asteroid could take out the whole planet - but amongst the people in the business of economic predictions, nobody is seeing the economic sanctions as being highly effective.
much like your sites, the economist has street cred no? And they disagree no? So get a grip and realize that no one knows what’s really going on inside Russia except the politburo run by an autocrat that invaded its neighbor for money that you constantly defend on this website
im sorry tucker left, must hurt your heartbeat
04-27-2023, 09:10 AM
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I didn’t say you were wrong, I said to not spout it as fact. I can link 10 million websites that either support or deny this.
much like your sites, the economist has street cred no? And they disagree no? So get a grip and realize that no one knows what’s really going on inside Russia except the politburo run by an autocrat that invaded its neighbor for money that you constantly defend on this website
im sorry tucker left, must hurt your heartbeat
much like your sites, the economist has street cred no? And they disagree no? So get a grip and realize that no one knows what’s really going on inside Russia except the politburo run by an autocrat that invaded its neighbor for money that you constantly defend on this website
im sorry tucker left, must hurt your heartbeat
Smuggling has always been the worlds second oldest profession
04-27-2023, 09:36 AM
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Your ad hominem attacks and impugned guilt by association do nothing to enhance your credibility. But facts do exist, and the increase in trade between Russia and India and China is pretty much undeniable. As is the increased western trade to other former Soviet states that is helping Russia get around the sanctions.
Smuggling has always been the worlds second oldest profession
Smuggling has always been the worlds second oldest profession
https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/i...0shrinking,GDP)%20dropped%20by%202.1%25.
I never said you were wrong dude, just laughing at your use of the word “fact”. The “fact” that you even think internet info is “fact”, shows the “fact” that you are a troll and stuck in your internet tucker feedback loop. I just feel sorry for you at this point. It must be really scary to watch your demographic lose its power base, and for that I have some empathy
04-27-2023, 09:38 AM
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he is on the record knowing that voter fraud is false, and got vaccinated whilst pushing the no vax rhetoric that killed thousands of aging or obese people……all for money.
I feel bad for people that got sucked in, but if they stayed with him after the fact then they are just fools
04-27-2023, 09:49 AM
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Can Russia still make a serious show of armor? I have no military training, but can still try to obliquely glean tidbits from various sources.
Russia has lost 1800-3500 tanks. Presumably large numbers of trained crew as well. Partly due to sanctions, and partly due to the way the Russian society and economy has evolved the last 25 years, Russia both has problems building new tanks, refurbishing old and damaged tanks, and most other mechanized aspects of a modern industrial society. While adept at making old and broken stuff lumber on, Russia has been for decades a catabolic economy. Any up and coming innovative lad learned quickly to: immigrate, join the gangsters on their terms, or immigrate internally. (fancy way of saying to live your true life inside your 4 walls...keep your head down and seek internal peace)
None of the 3 choices have contributed to the wealth or well being of the nation.
There was a paradigm shift in the Russian Federation with the rise of Putin. A shift that has restored a bit of nationalistic hubristic pride, but has probably also destroyed, for decades, its chance of being a prosperous and just society. Her people will pay the price .
Russia has lost 1800-3500 tanks. Presumably large numbers of trained crew as well. Partly due to sanctions, and partly due to the way the Russian society and economy has evolved the last 25 years, Russia both has problems building new tanks, refurbishing old and damaged tanks, and most other mechanized aspects of a modern industrial society. While adept at making old and broken stuff lumber on, Russia has been for decades a catabolic economy. Any up and coming innovative lad learned quickly to: immigrate, join the gangsters on their terms, or immigrate internally. (fancy way of saying to live your true life inside your 4 walls...keep your head down and seek internal peace)
None of the 3 choices have contributed to the wealth or well being of the nation.
There was a paradigm shift in the Russian Federation with the rise of Putin. A shift that has restored a bit of nationalistic hubristic pride, but has probably also destroyed, for decades, its chance of being a prosperous and just society. Her people will pay the price .
back on track despite the constant interjections by the Russian troll,
this is a great question. Your estimate of hull loses is actually lower than ones that I’ve seen from European think tanks. Regardless, I think the heart of the matter is that no, they will not have enough vicks to go one for one. as of this summer the RU will have to rely on established defensive lines. If they have enough konkurs to make a difference, troops that will hold the line, NCOs with the authority to make split second decisions, and enough dispersed mobile arty to slow an offensive then I believe they will stop the Ukrainians. If moral is low, they get flanked, fail to heed past lessons about troop concentrations, or run out of ammo, I think they will run. This is all predicated upon Méto’s point that the Russian Air Force will absolutely slow an offensive unless the pats can provide an umbrella.
we shall see. It is certainly fascinating
04-27-2023, 09:50 AM
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your are absolutely correct. Can you imagine following tucker all along to have the rug ripped out from under you?
he is on the record knowing that voter fraud is false, and got vaccinated whilst pushing the no vax rhetoric that killed thousands of aging or obese people……all for money.
I feel bad for people that got sucked in, but if they stayed with him after the fact then they are just fools
he is on the record knowing that voter fraud is false, and got vaccinated whilst pushing the no vax rhetoric that killed thousands of aging or obese people……all for money.
I feel bad for people that got sucked in, but if they stayed with him after the fact then they are just fools
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