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Old 04-15-2023, 06:32 PM
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Gotta love the triple down. Beware the Russian troll
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Old 04-15-2023, 07:00 PM
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Personally in the modern era I would prefer precision munitions which have at least dual, if not triple, redundant guidance caps. Inertial would be very nice. I don't trust GPS to be infinitely reliable, even Sadam had countermeasures back then.

I would expect "alternative" GNSS style guidance, perhaps based on persistent drone presence. I was a JTAC, amongst other things.
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Gotta love the triple down. Beware the Russian troll
Gotta love the determined ignorance. There are none so blind as those who will not see.
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Personally in the modern era I would prefer precision munitions which have at least dual, if not triple, redundant guidance caps. Inertial would be very nice. I don't trust GPS to be infinitely reliable, even Sadam had countermeasures back then.

I would expect "alternative" GNSS style guidance, perhaps based on persistent drone presence. I was a JTAC, amongst other things.
Yes, there are many avenues to combat jamming and still maintain precision capes. Obviously they cannot be talked about but slot of open source will give hints. We’ve known about this for 20+ years. Does anyone really think this is a surprise? The fear is strong in some people. They are just too weak to break away from their political affiliations. Watch for Russian trolls that spread doubt and false concerns. They actually do exist.

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I think the EA environment would be tough for drones in a prc vs USA scenario. But I never did the drone thing. Only flew vipers and studied jdams until they were coming out of my ears lol.
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The fear is strong in some people. They are just too weak to break away from their political affiliations. Watch for Russian trolls that spread doubt and false concerns. They actually do exist.
Watch for APC rookies with 500+ posts who cry strawman trolls, partisan dupes and cowardly lions.
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Originally Posted by METO Guido
Watch for APC rookies with 500+ posts who cry strawman trolls, partisan dupes and cowardly lions.
You getting salty meto? Little too close to home perhaps?

Have a little lime with your salt. It’s ok
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Only flew vipers and studied jdams until they were coming out of my ears lol.
People who deny the laws of physics but claim JDAM expertise are poseurs because JDAMs DO follow the laws of physics. And while we do have limited stores of INS/GPS dual capable JDAM munitions, those apparently aren’t the ones we are giving to the Ukraine. Just like the M1A1s that we are (eventually) giving to the Ukraine and the derated HIMARS the DOD seems to be keeping the Ukraine on a tight leash with mostly last generation equipment.
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Little too close to home perhaps?
Skywalker; “I’m NOT afraid”
Yoda; “you will be”
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Skywalker; “I’m NOT afraid”
Yoda; “you will be”
Oh the hubris to think one is yoda. One thing I can guarantee you. We are pointless carbon units spinning around on a rock in space. No one knows what’s going on, certainly not you nor I. Yoda probably would have known that. Maybe a touch of Buddhism for our souls will do us good. I’m sorry the salt was too much for you. Have a tequila on me.
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Oh the hubris to think one is yoda. One thing I can guarantee you. We are pointless carbon units spinning around on a rock in space. No one knows what’s going on, certainly not you nor I. Yoda probably would have known that. Maybe a touch of Buddhism for our souls will do us good. I’m sorry the salt was too much for you. Have a tequila on me.
Yoda’s taller. It’s a theatrical metaphor. And foreshadowing. The topic is naivety. Poor marker in leadership and managing complex operations like deploying 500kg bombs one would think. Don’t know, I’m just another pointy eared citizen. But since you had so much poured into yours on the subject, what happens should they miss?
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