rickair7777

Guys stop the back and forth, you can state your opinion in a civil manner but don't direct comments at each other.

TransWorld

Exactly. Growing up I was taught I can disagree without being disagreeable.

Hubcapped

Sry I must have missed it. Yes ultimately I would put my life on the line to keep the RU at bay. For context, I’ve mentioned this before, I’m a bit of a romantic and history is my jam. I view this struggle as not for the United States, but rather based in the grand view of humanity.

Humans suck. We are greedy. For recorded history (7000 years) we have been under the boot heel of autocratic men that can do whatever their spearman can get for them. Only since ww2 have we finally broken the backs of this form of existence. To put it into a mathematical concept, roughly 1% of recorded history. I look at the long game for humanity and I have no desire to allow us to go back or relinquish our very tenuous hold on (relative) personal freedom.

So In answer, if they asked me to jump back into a cockpit and take a viper downtown, I’d do it. I’d be scared out of my mind, but I believe I would hold fast. We have an obligation not only to the 400k plus US GI s that died to give us this chance, but to future generations. We will not tolerate brutality anymore. Putin can absolutely go **** himself and I’d gladly make it happen.

Now as to the escalation and where it would lead if we had boots on the ground, that is a huge risk, there are alot of steps until that becomes a factor. But I guess when one is an appeaser, these options seem foolish.

Evil prevails when good men do nothing.

Before you throw nuclear war in my face I understand that is the ultimate killer of worlds, it is certainly a catch 22.

DownWithNarita

Is that when they beg for another couple billion?

Go then, ukraine would gladly accept you.
So seem very easily manipulated based on the stuff you've posted.

Hubcapped

Sounds good old timer, I guess almost the entire western political front is also easily manipulated. Career statesmen that are educated and trained in this. To include all their intelligence networks and military leadership. But you got the answer? Copy. let’s chat in about 4 months

DownWithNarita

we'll see.

Mhttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11943769/Ukraine-renews-hope-peace-talks-saying-ready-discuss-future-Crimea.html

Hubcapped

Yes, as stated in your link this will be after the Ukrainians push the RU out of Donetsk, Luhansk, Kherson, and Zaporizhia oblasts. So thank you for confirming that the Ukrainians have the ability to do so. I’m glad you have faith. It truly was an amazing effort by all of nato to coordinate such a profound logistical feat of arming an inferior military to be able to not only withstand the RU, but outfight and hopefully push back to the original post 2014 borders. Slava Ukraine.

METO Guido

Midnight in the garden of good & evil. I’m not here to judge. Really hard to understand that’s all. What is the cost of cratering the futures & dreams of so many souls worth? Happy Easter

Hubcapped

I hear you man, it’s not a good situation. But they have a right to survive just like you or me. But in earnest I understand what you are saying. Crap situation all around.

demonrat

Trust the science.