Ukraine conflict
09-23-2024, 12:04 PM
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https://www.dw.com/en/ukraine-updates-ammo-depot-in-russias-tver-region-explodes/live-
Ukraine updates: Ammo depot in Russia's Tver region explodes
Published 9 hours agoPublished 9 hours agolast updated 4 hours agolast updated 4 hours agoA major Ukrainian drone attack on Russia caused a huge explosion in a large Russian arsenal in the western Tver region. DW has more.Any chance you might start acting more like an adult? Naw, probably too much to hope for.
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09-23-2024, 12:27 PM
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Worth a read…
https://gjia.georgetown.edu/2024/08/...ar-in-ukraine/
Author: Alexander Korolev
Date Published: August 28, 2024
An excerpt:
Title: Demystifying the Enemy: Putin’s Geopolitical Calculus and the War in Ukraine
Author: Alexander Korolev
Date Published: August 28, 2024
Many assessments of the reasons for Russia’s invasion of Ukraine have emphasized Vladimir Putin’s individual characteristics, such as his early career as a KGB officer, imperial ambitions towards Ukraine, or belief in Ukraine’s cultural affinity to Russia. This article argues that the invasion can be better explained by offensive geopolitical rationality. Putin got a few things about the war in Ukraine wrong; however, from a geopolitical standpoint, he also got a few things right. These include the limits of the West’s support for Ukraine, the willingness of other non-Western countries to cooperate with Russia, and the limited impact of Western sanctions on Russia. In turn, this makes Russia difficult for the West to handle but also encourages the development of a more nuanced and potentially effective response that takes geopolitics into consideration.
09-23-2024, 08:36 PM
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Read the article or not. It's your option. But these days if you aren't willing to put up with a little insider jargon in yiur reading there's damn near nothing to read. But I believe the point the author is trying to make is that this is not a uniquely Putin problem. It's Russia. Doesn't matter if we believe it's right or wrong, Russia is driven by its own history and culture. And likely replacements were he to die - well, there is little likelihood they would be any major improvement. Like Germany in WWII, not everyone was a Nazi but most supported the Nazis, not always with enthusiasm perhaps, but it wasn't just Hitler.
09-24-2024, 02:38 AM
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Read the article or not. It's your option. But these days if you aren't willing to put up with a little insider jargon in yiur reading there's damn near nothing to read. But I believe the point the author is trying to make is that this is not a uniquely Putin problem. It's Russia. Doesn't matter if we believe it's right or wrong, Russia is driven by its own history and culture. And likely replacements were he to die - well, there is little likelihood they would be any major improvement. Like Germany in WWII, not everyone was a Nazi but most supported the Nazis, not always with enthusiasm perhaps, but it wasn't just Hitler.
09-24-2024, 04:34 AM
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What Russians are you talking about? A klan of frankenweenie Bolsheviks or trapped millions living a nightmare of extortion and hopelessness? None of which has a damn thing to do with calculus. Russian culture of tomorrow is beyond our control. Blackmailing a continent into submission with an aging fleet of mobile missile trucks & red Oktobers isn’t. Even if Major Kong riding ‘hi there’ to ground zero is what it takes.
Meanwhile, back in the (real) geopolitical world:
https://www.politico.eu/article/ukra...in-petr-pavel/
Putin will likely control part of Ukraine when war ends, Czech president says
But Petr Pavel, a strong supporter of Ukraine, reiterates that neither Moscow nor Kyiv can expect total victory.An excerpt:
SEPTEMBER 24, 2024 12:36 PM CET
BY KETRIN JOCHECOVÁKyiv needs to accept that part of Ukrainian territory will temporarily be under Russian occupation even if the war comes to an end, Czech President Petr Pavel said.
"The most probable outcome of the war will be that a part of Ukrainian territory will be under Russian occupation, temporarily," he said in an interview with The New York Times published Monday, adding that "temporarily" could actually mean years.
“To talk about a defeat of Ukraine or defeat of Russia, it will simply not happen,” Pavel said, adding that neither Ukraine nor Russia can expect to secure their maximalist war goals.
His remarks come as the United Nations General Assembly in New York gets underway, with Ukraine being one of the hot topics on the agenda.
Pavel — a former NATO general who, like his country which has pushed the European Union to buy artillery shells from third countries to deliver them to Kyiv, has been one of Ukraine's most ardent supporters in its resistance against Russian President Vladimir Putin — has made similar remarks before.
In August, he said that any peace deal reached between Russia and Ukraine likely won't be fair. Pavel also noted that Ukraine should be allowed to join NATO even if it doesn't take all its occupied territory back.
BY KETRIN JOCHECOVÁKyiv needs to accept that part of Ukrainian territory will temporarily be under Russian occupation even if the war comes to an end, Czech President Petr Pavel said.
"The most probable outcome of the war will be that a part of Ukrainian territory will be under Russian occupation, temporarily," he said in an interview with The New York Times published Monday, adding that "temporarily" could actually mean years.
“To talk about a defeat of Ukraine or defeat of Russia, it will simply not happen,” Pavel said, adding that neither Ukraine nor Russia can expect to secure their maximalist war goals.
His remarks come as the United Nations General Assembly in New York gets underway, with Ukraine being one of the hot topics on the agenda.
Pavel — a former NATO general who, like his country which has pushed the European Union to buy artillery shells from third countries to deliver them to Kyiv, has been one of Ukraine's most ardent supporters in its resistance against Russian President Vladimir Putin — has made similar remarks before.
In August, he said that any peace deal reached between Russia and Ukraine likely won't be fair. Pavel also noted that Ukraine should be allowed to join NATO even if it doesn't take all its occupied territory back.
09-24-2024, 06:08 AM
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How times change. Two years ago I was accused of stupidity and/or insanity on this thread for even suggesting that expelling the Russians back to the to the internationally recognized borders of Ukraine would require either NATO (and predominately US) boots on the ground and/or nukes and told authoritatively that no one was suggesting either option. Now the opinions I was chastised for voicing then appear to have gone mainstream. Supporting Ukraine "as long as it takes" with conventional arms was never going to achieve that goal, but failing to believe it was was widely judged as heresy. After two more years of experience, it seems to be becoming mainstream however.
Meanwhile, back in the (real) geopolitical world:
https://www.politico.eu/article/ukra...in-petr-pavel/
An excerpt:
Meanwhile, back in the (real) geopolitical world:
https://www.politico.eu/article/ukra...in-petr-pavel/
An excerpt:
09-24-2024, 06:42 AM
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How about we focus more on the war that's about to errupt in the Middle East.
Things I'm not worried about: Russians and Ukrainians
Things I am worried about:
Countries who hate America, chant death to America in our own streets, and have a minor history of taking out buildings. (cue the talking point about the one guy in the mid 90's, who was ****ed about Ruby Ridge and Waco, and went nuts on OKC)
Things I'm not worried about: Russians and Ukrainians
Things I am worried about:
Countries who hate America, chant death to America in our own streets, and have a minor history of taking out buildings. (cue the talking point about the one guy in the mid 90's, who was ****ed about Ruby Ridge and Waco, and went nuts on OKC)
09-24-2024, 06:46 AM
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How times change. Two years ago I was accused of stupidity and/or insanity on this thread for even suggesting that expelling the Russians back to the to the internationally recognized borders of Ukraine would require either NATO (and predominately US) boots on the ground and/or nukes and told authoritatively that no one was suggesting either option. Now the opinions I was chastised for voicing then appear to have gone mainstream. Supporting Ukraine "as long as it takes" with conventional arms was never going to achieve that goal, but failing to believe it was was widely judged as heresy. After two more years of experience, it seems to be becoming mainstream however.
Meanwhile, back in the (real) geopolitical world:
Meanwhile, back in the (real) geopolitical world:
"Supporting Ukraine....with conventional arms" to achieve thier political goals is still on the table AND a more likely outcome than Russia achieving it's goal.
The craziness is you think you're right...will being laughably wrong so far. How's Russia's plans working versus Ukraine's desire to not be under the Russian boot???
09-24-2024, 07:38 AM
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Meanwhile...back in the REAL geopolitical world....has ANY NATO country, or the U.S., suggested sending combat troops to Ukraine or using nukes?????????
"Supporting Ukraine....with conventional arms" to achieve thier political goals is still on the table AND a more likely outcome than Russia achieving it's goal.
The craziness is you think you're right...will being laughably wrong so far. How's Russia's plans working versus Ukraine's desire to not be under the Russian boot???
"Supporting Ukraine....with conventional arms" to achieve thier political goals is still on the table AND a more likely outcome than Russia achieving it's goal.
The craziness is you think you're right...will being laughably wrong so far. How's Russia's plans working versus Ukraine's desire to not be under the Russian boot???
NATO Member Outlines Two Conditions for Deploying Troops to Ukraine
Published May 02, 2024 at 11:16 AM EDT
Macron debuted the potential for NATO troops in Ukraine in late February, saying that although there was "no consensus" on combat personnel, "nothing should be excluded" when it came to supporting Ukraine. It "is not unthinkable" to deploy NATO troops to Ukraine, added Polish Foreign Minister Radosław Sikorski.
Gen. Charles Brown, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, says it is only a matter of time before NATO military trainers are sent to Ukraine, according to a report in the New York Times.
It comes as Ukraine battles to hold the line against Russian offensives in Ukraine's northeast such as the city of Kharkiv as well as in the east and south – and just weeks after the U.S. agreed to send an extra $60 billion in aid to the war-torn country.
Ukrainian officials have asked their U.S. and NATO counterparts to help train 150,000 new recruits closer to the front line for faster deployment, the New York Times reports.
It comes as Ukraine battles to hold the line against Russian offensives in Ukraine's northeast such as the city of Kharkiv as well as in the east and south – and just weeks after the U.S. agreed to send an extra $60 billion in aid to the war-torn country.
Ukrainian officials have asked their U.S. and NATO counterparts to help train 150,000 new recruits closer to the front line for faster deployment, the New York Times reports.
FEBRUARY 26, 2024 9:23 PM CET
BY ŠEJLA AHMATOVIĆSeveral EU and NATO members are considering military deployments to Ukraine, Slovak Prime Minister Robert Fico claimed on Monday.
Speaking ahead of a meeting of EU and NATO national leaders in Paris on Monday to debate collective Western strategy on Ukraine, Fico cited a "restricted document" listing topics to be discussed in Paris that "sends shivers down your spine."
"These topics," he said, "imply that a number of NATO and EU member states are considering sending troops to Ukraine on a bilateral basis."
BY ŠEJLA AHMATOVIĆSeveral EU and NATO members are considering military deployments to Ukraine, Slovak Prime Minister Robert Fico claimed on Monday.
Speaking ahead of a meeting of EU and NATO national leaders in Paris on Monday to debate collective Western strategy on Ukraine, Fico cited a "restricted document" listing topics to be discussed in Paris that "sends shivers down your spine."
"These topics," he said, "imply that a number of NATO and EU member states are considering sending troops to Ukraine on a bilateral basis."
Jeez, Slice...try to keep up.
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