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US Army awards key contracts to further enhance 155mm artillery production capacity and Army modernization priorities
By Abraam DawoudSeptember 10, 2024https://www.army.mil/article/279541/...ion_priorities
PICATINNY ARSENAL, N.J. — The U.S. Army’s Joint Program Executive Office for Armaments and Ammunition (JPEO A&A) and U.S. Army Contracting Command - New Jersey (ACC-NJ) awarded several contracts worth more than $961 million to enhance the production of critical 155mm artillery components. These awards are set to increase production capacity significantly and provide the joint warfighter with a new “go-to” war round, ensuring that the Army’s artillery capabilities remain safe, reliable, plentiful and lethal.
The contracts cover the procurement of 500,000 M119A2 Propellant Charges, supports load, assemble, and pack (LAP) of 260,000 M231 Modular Artillery Charge System (MACS) and 2.2 million M232A2 MACS. MACS are the primary propelling charge system in all currently fielded 155mm howitzer systems. The contracts also cover the LAP of 16,900 of the Army’s newest “go-to” war round–the M1128 High Explosive (HE) projectile. This new projectile will provide U.S. artillery with extended-range capabilities and will give brigade combat teams the ability to deliver near-precision fires at distances of up to 30 kilometers without relying on exquisite munitions.
In addition to contracts supporting the LAP of munitions, another contract was awarded to expand the production capacity of High Fragmentation Steel (HF-1). This specially engineered alloy, used in large-caliber munitions such as the 155mm M795 and the M1128, is critical to meeting increased production demand and will enable the Army to achieve its goal of producing 100,000 artillery shots per month by fiscal year 2026.
“In alignment with the Department of Defense’s National Defense Industrial Strategy, we have invested more than $4.2 billion to expand and modernize the organic industrial base,” said Douglas R. Bush, Assistant Secretary of the Army for Acquisition, Logistics and Technology. “This collaborative effort between the Army and industry establishes a credible deterrent against potential adversaries, underscoring the Army’s commitment to fight and win the Nation’s wars.”
The contracts cover the procurement of 500,000 M119A2 Propellant Charges, supports load, assemble, and pack (LAP) of 260,000 M231 Modular Artillery Charge System (MACS) and 2.2 million M232A2 MACS. MACS are the primary propelling charge system in all currently fielded 155mm howitzer systems. The contracts also cover the LAP of 16,900 of the Army’s newest “go-to” war round–the M1128 High Explosive (HE) projectile. This new projectile will provide U.S. artillery with extended-range capabilities and will give brigade combat teams the ability to deliver near-precision fires at distances of up to 30 kilometers without relying on exquisite munitions.
In addition to contracts supporting the LAP of munitions, another contract was awarded to expand the production capacity of High Fragmentation Steel (HF-1). This specially engineered alloy, used in large-caliber munitions such as the 155mm M795 and the M1128, is critical to meeting increased production demand and will enable the Army to achieve its goal of producing 100,000 artillery shots per month by fiscal year 2026.
“In alignment with the Department of Defense’s National Defense Industrial Strategy, we have invested more than $4.2 billion to expand and modernize the organic industrial base,” said Douglas R. Bush, Assistant Secretary of the Army for Acquisition, Logistics and Technology. “This collaborative effort between the Army and industry establishes a credible deterrent against potential adversaries, underscoring the Army’s commitment to fight and win the Nation’s wars.”
https://www.reuters.com/investigates...sis-artillery/
A REUTERS INVESTIGATION
Years of miscalculations by U.S., NATO led to dire shell shortage in Ukraine
A Ukrainian serviceman prepares 155mm shells at a position late last year near the town of Marinka in the Donetsk region. The 155mm shell has becomes a pivotal weapon in the ongoing war with Russia. REUTERS/Viacheslav RatynskyiSince Russia seized Crimea in 2014, policymakers in America and Europe repeatedly failed to address warnings about the sorry condition of the West’s munitions industry. The result: an inability to adequately supply Ukraine with a key weapon, and a shift of the war in Russia’s favor.
The causes of the shell crisis began years ago. They are rooted in decisions and miscalculations made by the U.S. military and its NATO allies that occurred well before Russia’s 2022 invasion, a Reuters investigation found.
A decade of strategic, funding and production mistakes played a far greater role in the shell shortage than did the recent U.S. congressional delays of aid, Reuters found.
In the years between Russia’s 2014 seizure of Crimea and its 2022 invasion, for example, repeated warnings from top NATO commanders and from officials who operated or supervised U.S. munitions plants went largely unheeded. They advised their governments, both publicly and privately, that the alliance’s munitions industry was ill-equipped to surge production should war demand it. Because of the failure to respond to those warnings, many artillery production lines at already-ancient factories in the United States and Europe slowed to a crawl or closed altogether.
“This is a problem that’s been long in the making,” said Bruce Jette, who served as the assistant secretary of the U.S. Army for acquisition, logistics and technology from 2018 to January 2021.
Reuters interviewed dozens of current and former U.S., Ukrainian and North Atlantic Treaty Organization military officials, and reviewed thousands of pages of confidential U.S. Army briefings, public documents and other internal records. The reporting found that:
Production of the 155mm shell dropped so dramatically that, from summer 2014 to fall 2015, the U.S. added no new shells to its stockpile.
Manufacturing defects and safety violations triggered repeated production-line shutdowns. The 2021 discovery of cracks in shells cut production capacity in half for months.
A U.S. decision to change the type of explosive used in those shells hasn’t helped the war effort and, to date, has been an expensive flop: The Army spent $147 million on a facility it doesn’t use.
And a plan to replace an antiquated plant in Virginia that produced propellant to launch the shells has fallen a decade behind its scheduled completion and has almost doubled in price. That delay has created a greater U.S. reliance on raw materials from overseas than is publicly known. One internal U.S. Army document from 2021 details “foreign dependencies” on at least a dozen chemicals made in China and India, countries with close trade ties to Russia.
Particularly ironic: The U.S. pre-war plan for sourcing the explosive TNT from overseas included contracts with a factory in eastern Ukraine. The plant was seized by Russia early in the war.
A decade of strategic, funding and production mistakes played a far greater role in the shell shortage than did the recent U.S. congressional delays of aid, Reuters found.
In the years between Russia’s 2014 seizure of Crimea and its 2022 invasion, for example, repeated warnings from top NATO commanders and from officials who operated or supervised U.S. munitions plants went largely unheeded. They advised their governments, both publicly and privately, that the alliance’s munitions industry was ill-equipped to surge production should war demand it. Because of the failure to respond to those warnings, many artillery production lines at already-ancient factories in the United States and Europe slowed to a crawl or closed altogether.
“This is a problem that’s been long in the making,” said Bruce Jette, who served as the assistant secretary of the U.S. Army for acquisition, logistics and technology from 2018 to January 2021.
Reuters interviewed dozens of current and former U.S., Ukrainian and North Atlantic Treaty Organization military officials, and reviewed thousands of pages of confidential U.S. Army briefings, public documents and other internal records. The reporting found that:
Production of the 155mm shell dropped so dramatically that, from summer 2014 to fall 2015, the U.S. added no new shells to its stockpile.
Manufacturing defects and safety violations triggered repeated production-line shutdowns. The 2021 discovery of cracks in shells cut production capacity in half for months.
A U.S. decision to change the type of explosive used in those shells hasn’t helped the war effort and, to date, has been an expensive flop: The Army spent $147 million on a facility it doesn’t use.
And a plan to replace an antiquated plant in Virginia that produced propellant to launch the shells has fallen a decade behind its scheduled completion and has almost doubled in price. That delay has created a greater U.S. reliance on raw materials from overseas than is publicly known. One internal U.S. Army document from 2021 details “foreign dependencies” on at least a dozen chemicals made in China and India, countries with close trade ties to Russia.
Particularly ironic: The U.S. pre-war plan for sourcing the explosive TNT from overseas included contracts with a factory in eastern Ukraine. The plant was seized by Russia early in the war.
#4032
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You are assuming that support can or will be continued. Zelensky has repeatedly complained about the West slow rolling support:
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...er-2023-01-29/
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/zelenskyy-says-ukraine-needs-weapons-allies-continue-defense-russia-rcna140174
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/04/21/ukraine-aid-zelensky-comments
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and with fewer restrictions:
https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20240711-zelensky-urges-nato-leaders-to-drop-restrictions-on-striking-russia
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cm52jvn41l7o
Clearly, the US either won't or can't or both. Perhaps if our feckless NATO brethren hadn't unilaterally disarmed since the end of the Cold War (and several even before that) it wouldn't have all had to come from the same inventory now depleted by being the primary provider for Ukraine while simultaneously keeping the Red Sea open, supporting Israel, and deterring China from taking Taiwan, but coulda, woulda, shoulda simply doesn't help much.
I have said all along that much of munitions acquisition is a long lead time process - and it is.
https://euromaidanpress.com/2024/09/...d-for-ukraine/
Wishing it were not will not magically make it so.
So what'll it be?
NATO (and overwhelmingly US) boots on the ground?
Or try a few nukes?
Both options with their inherent risks
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...er-2023-01-29/
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/zelenskyy-says-ukraine-needs-weapons-allies-continue-defense-russia-rcna140174
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/04/21/ukraine-aid-zelensky-comments
/
and with fewer restrictions:
https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20240711-zelensky-urges-nato-leaders-to-drop-restrictions-on-striking-russia
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cm52jvn41l7o
Clearly, the US either won't or can't or both. Perhaps if our feckless NATO brethren hadn't unilaterally disarmed since the end of the Cold War (and several even before that) it wouldn't have all had to come from the same inventory now depleted by being the primary provider for Ukraine while simultaneously keeping the Red Sea open, supporting Israel, and deterring China from taking Taiwan, but coulda, woulda, shoulda simply doesn't help much.
I have said all along that much of munitions acquisition is a long lead time process - and it is.
https://euromaidanpress.com/2024/09/...d-for-ukraine/
Wishing it were not will not magically make it so.
So what'll it be?
NATO (and overwhelmingly US) boots on the ground?
Or try a few nukes?
Both options with their inherent risks
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That's why the conventional wisdom is that wars are a come-as-you-are affair. And a lot of things that really are necessary do the job really aren't all that sexy. Like POL, mines, ammunition, etc. Nor do those continuous low rate production plants have all that much surge capacity.
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Yep. But when I say long lead time procurement I really mean it. Two and a half years into this we are still building the factories to build the components to build the shells. With the sort of supply chain problems out there that fiscal 2026 goal of 100,000. A month is more likely to slip into FY 2027 than not.
That's why the conventional wisdom is that wars are a come-as-you-are affair. And a lot of things that really are necessary do the job really aren't all that sexy. Like POL, mines, ammunition, etc. Nor do those continuous low rate production plants have all that much surge capacity.
That's why the conventional wisdom is that wars are a come-as-you-are affair. And a lot of things that really are necessary do the job really aren't all that sexy. Like POL, mines, ammunition, etc. Nor do those continuous low rate production plants have all that much surge capacity.
The die is cast. This time only 5’000 miles away. To spare dirt poor farmers nobody gas about but US. Good on us. Which doesn’t translate any less traumatic. WW3 brinkmanship is basically World Cup penalty shootout action for higher stakes. Better victory party but as we know, fate is the hunter.
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In a flash at Tihoretsk, thousands of Ukraines lives are spared.
https://old.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarV...oretsk_russia/
https://old.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarV...oretsk_russia/
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In a flash at Tihoretsk, thousands of Ukraines lives are spared.
https://old.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/1fluk5f/tihoretsk_russia/
https://old.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/1fluk5f/tihoretsk_russia/
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I believe you. At the same time, there’s an enemy to stop, ughain. Boots, nukes, chem, bio, cyber, currency/market collapse, fluoride tampering, pet bbq’s and whatever else they might come up with, focus on what IS achievable takes priority.
The die is cast. This time only 5’000 miles away. To spare dirt poor farmers nobody gas about but US. Good on us. Which doesn’t translate any less traumatic. WW3 brinkmanship is basically World Cup penalty shootout action for higher stakes. Better victory party but as we know, fate is the hunter.
The die is cast. This time only 5’000 miles away. To spare dirt poor farmers nobody gas about but US. Good on us. Which doesn’t translate any less traumatic. WW3 brinkmanship is basically World Cup penalty shootout action for higher stakes. Better victory party but as we know, fate is the hunter.
Now I can't vouch for the veracity of that story, he was simply a tipsy old guy in a bar in Ogden Utah, but it does sort of sound like human nature, doesn't it.
I recently read another article in the Christian Science Monitor. Can't vouch for its veracity either, but it certainly isn't a well known Russian source for disinformation. In any event, the author claims that this time it
seems to be different, that there may indeed be red lines that are real, that maybe it's a bad idea to play Russian roulette to the point that it becomes routine and you no longer worry about doing it. Now I can't vouch for that author's veracity either, or if the editors that approved its publication for that matter, but it too does sound like human nature.
In any event, I think it's worth a read and a few minutes consideration:
https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Euro...uclear-war-ww3
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I recently read another article in the Christian Science Monitor. Can't vouch for its veracity either, but it certainly isn't a well known Russian source for disinformation. In any event, the author claims that this time it seems to be different, that there may indeed be red lines that are real, that maybe it's a bad idea to play Russian roulette to the point that it becomes routine and you no longer worry about doing it.
#4040
Holy moly, scratch yet another ammo dump. They may have even gotten some North Korean ballistic missiles to boot.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidax...uthern-russia/
Reminds me of another pretty impressive Ukrainian accomplishment, the number of Russian flag officers who’ve been killed since the invasion. It appears to be at least seven so far, possibly more. I think we lost one between Iraq and Afghanistan.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidax...uthern-russia/
Reminds me of another pretty impressive Ukrainian accomplishment, the number of Russian flag officers who’ve been killed since the invasion. It appears to be at least seven so far, possibly more. I think we lost one between Iraq and Afghanistan.
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