Ukraine conflict
#3661
This always was a stupid war - populations of both countries have been shrinking for decades, neither side needs the land really, and both sides will eventually still share a long common border and will trade with one another because of simple logistics. I also think it would have been easily avoidable.
#3662
so after all of your ridiculous poetry that you make everyone struggle through, you cannot muster up the integrity to apologize for responding in an uncivil manner when no offense was given specifically to you
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you, your ridiculous third person ego, and komrade bot are truly cut from the same cloth. You lash out when people have a different position.
que the baby boomer butthurt response.
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you, your ridiculous third person ego, and komrade bot are truly cut from the same cloth. You lash out when people have a different position.
que the baby boomer butthurt response.
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/kyo͞o/
noun
- a thing said or done that serves as a signal to an actor or other performer to enter or to begin their speech or performance.
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- give a cue to or for.
"curious pedestrians are cued by the arrival of stretch limousines"
Que is a French wors meaning "that."
queue is a line of people.
Quay is a wharf. As distinguished from a Vulcan star fleet officer with a similar sounding name...
#3663
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Joined APC: Apr 2011
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Wow, lots of frothy activity here since my last post. Those pictures of what is left of the ammo dump must have really struck a nerve. Definitely will post more juicy pics when I can. Perhaps the Kursk incursion will provide some.
Interesting choice of words METO - "We're". Who is we? All those posts of yours were in the middle of the North American night. Posting from somewhere located closer to Greenwich perhaps. And it is pretty obvious that English is not your first language, you can't seem to write a coherent paragraph from what I've seen so far (But I'm not going to take the time to search your history across these forums either to see if you or one of your coworkers actually can). How is the weather in St Petersburg? I've always wanted to throw shade on a Russian Troll. Do you get paid by the post? It would explain why you post such short and worthless taunts so often. Your concern for my kids inheritance is touching, most Russians don't die with anything to pass on so I guess sending an entire generation off to die in waves isn't really a concern there.
Interesting choice of words METO - "We're". Who is we? All those posts of yours were in the middle of the North American night. Posting from somewhere located closer to Greenwich perhaps. And it is pretty obvious that English is not your first language, you can't seem to write a coherent paragraph from what I've seen so far (But I'm not going to take the time to search your history across these forums either to see if you or one of your coworkers actually can). How is the weather in St Petersburg? I've always wanted to throw shade on a Russian Troll. Do you get paid by the post? It would explain why you post such short and worthless taunts so often. Your concern for my kids inheritance is touching, most Russians don't die with anything to pass on so I guess sending an entire generation off to die in waves isn't really a concern there.
#3664
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Joined APC: May 2023
Posts: 698
Damn shame too. When you squeeze into Soyuz for the ride back to gravity, guess who’s driving? What we got here, is a failure to communicate. We be the voting American taxpayer. America exists on hunger for QOL. Have to feed that somehow. End the war. Deal with whoever, whatever’s left.
Tell me, METO. Are we gutting the defense budget once the troops come home for good?
We can't play isolationists while fully funding a superpower military. That's just irresponsible.
#3665
Stupid war all right. But I don't think it was avoidable at all once LtCol Putin decided that Ukraine was not really a country. Zelensky actually campaigned in 2019 on trying to negotiate a settlement with Russia. If the Ukrainians themselves decided to make a deal now, I wouldn't begrudge them for it. I have some tongue in cheek ideas for what a deal might look like, but will save them for later.
https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-b...-leaders-early
An excerpt:
Washington D.C., December 12, 2017 – U.S. Secretary of State James Baker’s famous “not one inch eastward” assurance about NATO expansion in his meeting with Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev on February 9, 1990, was part of a cascade of assurances about Soviet security given by Western leaders to Gorbachev and other Soviet officials throughout the process of German unification in 1990 and on into 1991, according to declassified U.S., Soviet, German, British and French documents posted today by the National Security Archive at George Washington University (http://nsarchive.gwu.edu).
The documents show that multiple national leaders were considering and rejecting Central and Eastern European membership in NATO as of early 1990 and through 1991, that discussions of NATO in the context of German unification negotiations in 1990 were not at all narrowly limited to the status of East German territory, and that subsequent Soviet and Russian complaints about being misled about NATO expansion were founded in written contemporaneous memcons and telcons at the highest levels.
The documents reinforce former CIA Director Robert Gates’s criticism of “pressing ahead with expansion of NATO eastward [in the 1990s], when Gorbachev and others were led to believe that wouldn’t happen.”[1] The key phrase, buttressed by the documents, is “led to believe.”
President George H.W. Bush had assured Gorbachev during the Malta summit in December 1989 that the U.S. would not take advantage (“I have not jumped up and down on the Berlin Wall”) of the revolutions in Eastern Europe to harm Soviet interests; but neither Bush nor Gorbachev at that point (or for that matter, West German Chancellor Helmut Kohl) expected so soon the collapse of East Germany or the speed of German unification.[2]
The first concrete assurances by Western leaders on NATO began on January 31, 1990, when West German Foreign Minister Hans-Dietrich Genscher opened the bidding with a major public speech at Tutzing, in Bavaria, on German unification. The U.S. Embassy in Bonn (see Document 1) informed Washington that Genscher made clear “that the changes in Eastern Europe and the German unification process must not lead to an ‘impairment of Soviet security interests.’ Therefore, NATO should rule out an ‘expansion of its territory towards the east, i.e. moving it closer to the Soviet borders.’” The Bonn cable also noted Genscher’s proposal to leave the East German territory out of NATO military structures even in a unified Germany in NATO.[3]
This latter idea of special status for the GDR territory was codified in the final German unification treaty signed on September 12, 1990, by the Two-Plus-Four foreign ministers (see Document 25). The former idea about “closer to the Soviet borders” is written down not in treaties but in multiple memoranda of conversation between the Soviets and the highest-level Western interlocutors (Genscher, Kohl, Baker, Gates, Bush, Mitterrand, Thatcher, Major, Woerner, and others) offering assurances throughout 1990 and into 1991 about protecting Soviet security interests and including the USSR in new European security structures.
The documents show that multiple national leaders were considering and rejecting Central and Eastern European membership in NATO as of early 1990 and through 1991, that discussions of NATO in the context of German unification negotiations in 1990 were not at all narrowly limited to the status of East German territory, and that subsequent Soviet and Russian complaints about being misled about NATO expansion were founded in written contemporaneous memcons and telcons at the highest levels.
The documents reinforce former CIA Director Robert Gates’s criticism of “pressing ahead with expansion of NATO eastward [in the 1990s], when Gorbachev and others were led to believe that wouldn’t happen.”[1] The key phrase, buttressed by the documents, is “led to believe.”
President George H.W. Bush had assured Gorbachev during the Malta summit in December 1989 that the U.S. would not take advantage (“I have not jumped up and down on the Berlin Wall”) of the revolutions in Eastern Europe to harm Soviet interests; but neither Bush nor Gorbachev at that point (or for that matter, West German Chancellor Helmut Kohl) expected so soon the collapse of East Germany or the speed of German unification.[2]
The first concrete assurances by Western leaders on NATO began on January 31, 1990, when West German Foreign Minister Hans-Dietrich Genscher opened the bidding with a major public speech at Tutzing, in Bavaria, on German unification. The U.S. Embassy in Bonn (see Document 1) informed Washington that Genscher made clear “that the changes in Eastern Europe and the German unification process must not lead to an ‘impairment of Soviet security interests.’ Therefore, NATO should rule out an ‘expansion of its territory towards the east, i.e. moving it closer to the Soviet borders.’” The Bonn cable also noted Genscher’s proposal to leave the East German territory out of NATO military structures even in a unified Germany in NATO.[3]
This latter idea of special status for the GDR territory was codified in the final German unification treaty signed on September 12, 1990, by the Two-Plus-Four foreign ministers (see Document 25). The former idea about “closer to the Soviet borders” is written down not in treaties but in multiple memoranda of conversation between the Soviets and the highest-level Western interlocutors (Genscher, Kohl, Baker, Gates, Bush, Mitterrand, Thatcher, Major, Woerner, and others) offering assurances throughout 1990 and into 1991 about protecting Soviet security interests and including the USSR in new European security structures.
#3666
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Joined APC: May 2023
Posts: 698
Seriously, people - including US diplomats - have been warning for 30 years that the Russians were freaking out about Eastern expansion of NATO. H€\\, when they consented to the reunification of Germany some of the Germans promised them that NATO troops wouldn't even be stationed on what had been East Germany. Eventually those diplomats warning that Russia would react badly to NATO troops on their border were proven correct.
https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-b...-leaders-early
An excerpt:
https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-b...-leaders-early
An excerpt:
Of course an abusive husband would freak out if their ex-spouse is seeking protection.
#3667
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Joined APC: Apr 2011
Posts: 1,828
What’s a corner? Yes, in answer your question. Smaller doesn’t mean less lethal.
#3669
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Joined APC: Jun 2022
Posts: 1,437
but its ok, grammar police hits are truly “impotent”, or is it “important”? I dont know, who cares because its not “important” to the conversations.
They have no integrity, all agenda…….all 3 of them
they aren’t worth any normal humans actual effort. Just feed on their troll tears
#3670
Just saying, there were promises made that weren't kept and paranoids reactions to that are predictable - and in this case WERE predicted. It ain't just Putin, it's the culture.
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