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Old 06-29-2024, 08:03 AM
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Beats me how much of an impact this will have but it's not the Pollyanish view of Russia and the doom and gloom view of Ukraine that this thread thrives on

What your putinganda machine refuses to publish -

https://www.newsweek.com/russian-economy-putin-gas-gazprom-problem-ukraine-1911776

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-big-...conomy-1908882

https://www.newsweek.com/putin-russi...ussian%20banks.
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Old 06-29-2024, 10:13 AM
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No, no no. Everyone knows that Putin is playing 4D chess and this is all part of the master plan that will have the BRICs nations ruling the world within the next decade. Or....Russia implodes, China and India drop them like a hot potato, and their forced to the Ukraine war bargaining table with Ukraine and her allies in a much more favorable position. OR there's Excargo's preferred storyline where either NATO sends troops and Russia starts lobbing nukes 'cause it has a death wish. Which one of those scenarios sounds remotely plausible?
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Old 06-29-2024, 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Lowslung
No, no no. Everyone knows that Putin is playing 4D chess and this is all part of the master plan that will have the BRICs nations ruling the world within the next decade. Or....Russia implodes, China and India drop them like a hot potato, and their forced to the Ukraine war bargaining table with Ukraine and her allies in a much more favorable position. OR there's Excargo's preferred storyline where either NATO sends troops and Russia starts lobbing nukes 'cause it has a death wish. Which one of those scenarios sounds remotely plausible?
My scenario was NATO sends troops (Which Macron and others have suggested) or NATO uses nukes (with all the risks that entails as the only realistic options for Ukraine's declared goal of regaining all of its internationally recognized territory.

If that - Russians out of the Donbas and Crimea - are the bottom line terms, those are the only realistic option, because the Ukraine is slowly losing the so-called stalemate.
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Old 06-29-2024, 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Lowslung
No, no no. Everyone knows that Putin is playing 4D chess and this is all part of the master plan that will have the BRICs nations ruling the world within the next decade. Or....Russia implodes, China and India drop them like a hot potato, and their forced to the Ukraine war bargaining table with Ukraine and her allies in a much more favorable position. OR there's Excargo's preferred storyline where either NATO sends troops and Russia starts lobbing nukes 'cause it has a death wish. Which one of those scenarios sounds remotely plausible?
This is an ongoing, epic fail. Proving only ‘they’ are capable of almost anything.
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Old 06-29-2024, 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
Ukraine is slowly losing the so-called stalemate.
At Russia's current rate of conquest, (0.03% per month) it will only take them 229 years to finish the job.
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Old 06-29-2024, 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by ReluctantEskimo
At Russia's current rate of conquest, (0.03% per month) it will only take them 229 years to finish the job.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GPCgpEKWUAAIGsY?format=png&name=large
‘They’ occupy a big piece. A piece big enough to claim success, tbd.

Hitler lacked h-bomb capability. If he did, probably would have used it, don’t ya think?
They, Sam-ed a 777 full of innocents and never even bothered to say oops. They, have so far only doubled down on the biggest military blunder since Tet. They’ll ultimately crack, agreed. But the totality of mess left behind lies beyond control and predictability. Is it not reasonable to argue the longer a fight stays hot, the higher its risk score? There is no extra time available until late Nov. just sitting it out. We’re all counting on you Kamala
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Originally Posted by ReluctantEskimo
At Russia's current rate of conquest, (0.03% per month) it will only take them 229 years to finish the job.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GPCgpEKWUAAIGsY?format=png&name=large
Wars seldom behave as a linear function. Especially with a demographic mismatch. There is only so long a dwindling number of dispirited people will keep fighting. No one wants to be the last person to die in a losing cause. Troops go from rookies to battle hardened vets to worn out and ineffective if not given periodic relief. The transition is generally quite abrupt when it happens.

Ernest Hemingway stated that people went bankrupt gradually - then suddenly. A lot of wars end that way too.
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
Wars seldom behave as a linear function. Especially with a demographic mismatch. There is only so long a dwindling number of dispirited people will keep fighting. No one wants to be the last person to die in a losing cause. Troops go from rookies to battle hardened vets to worn out and ineffective if not given periodic relief. The transition is generally quite abrupt when it happens.

Ernest Hemingway stated that people went bankrupt gradually - then suddenly. A lot of wars end that way too.
Defenders rarely collapse. Multiple sources saying the Russians are losing 1,000 a day right now. Ole Ruskies haven't evolved much past WWI tactics.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rope-a-dope
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One arm fighter basically. Lightning straight right. Conscientious objector. Still the greatest.
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