Ukraine conflict
05-19-2024, 01:07 PM
#3051
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Their articles, and the experts they often cite, do not tend to support your ultimate conclusions regarding what the USA should do regarding Ukraine.
Did you read the entire article you linked? Including the interview(s) at the end?
They concede some points, but disagree with the fundamental points that you make on this site.
05-19-2024, 01:53 PM
#3052
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CAN you ship them in aircraft? Sure. You can ship pretty much anything by air if you want to. Is it USUALLY shipped by air? No.
At 100# per round and the Ukraine war requiring about 7000 rounds per DAY, and since Militart Sealift Command is also shipping vehicles, field guns, Patriot Missiles, etc., the bulk of the ammo generally goes by sea.
But see the comments above. Sophistry and trying to count coup doesn't change anything. People are dying and you are quibbling.
At 100# per round and the Ukraine war requiring about 7000 rounds per DAY, and since Militart Sealift Command is also shipping vehicles, field guns, Patriot Missiles, etc., the bulk of the ammo generally goes by sea.
But see the comments above. Sophistry and trying to count coup doesn't change anything. People are dying and you are quibbling.
You just have no clue about military logistics, as you proved once again.
05-19-2024, 02:31 PM
#3053
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In what daring counterattack does mother Russia withdraw from Crimea & fortified territory occupied thus far? Help a skeptic understand that better. How long? At what sacrifice? Then let us know how the same artillery shipments stopping bad guys in Ukraine are busy crushing out 10s of thousands in a Mideast slaughter where we also air drop food & medicine to the enemy. Move the bush Bueller
05-19-2024, 03:10 PM
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In what daring counterattack does mother Russia withdraw from Crimea & fortified territory occupied thus far? Help a skeptic understand that better. How long? At what sacrifice? Then let us know how the same artillery shipments stopping bad guys in Ukraine are busy crushing out 10s of thousands in a Mideast slaughter where we also air drop food & medicine to the enemy. Move the bush Bueller
But you still play the game.
05-19-2024, 08:02 PM
#3055
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And who said they were made SOLELY in Iowa?
Question: Are or are not 155mm shells bound for Ukraine produced in Iowa?
HINT:
https://i.ibb.co/xspVFK5/IMG-7233.jpghttps://ibb.co/qntbJL1]https://i.ibb.co/xspVFK5/IMG-7233.jpg
Now you can quibble and play Sophist games to your heart's content and try to count coup on me like it's some sort of video game but if you think that's going to change the fact that people are dying in this war - conscripts and innocent civilians on both sides, it's not. Which sort of ought to be the focus of this thread.
Question: Are or are not 155mm shells bound for Ukraine produced in Iowa?
HINT:
https://i.ibb.co/xspVFK5/IMG-7233.jpghttps://ibb.co/qntbJL1]https://i.ibb.co/xspVFK5/IMG-7233.jpg
Now you can quibble and play Sophist games to your heart's content and try to count coup on me like it's some sort of video game but if you think that's going to change the fact that people are dying in this war - conscripts and innocent civilians on both sides, it's not. Which sort of ought to be the focus of this thread.
What I said is not fallacious. Yes, you found an article about the Iowa Ordinance Plant. But one should be fully truthful and say many bound for Ukraine are made in Pennsylvania, as well. Others will be made in Texas, in the future. Presenting a part of the truth is not good for a person's credibility. And when pointed out, a lesser person gets defensive and calls the other person all kinds of names. Enough said.
05-19-2024, 08:03 PM
#3056
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Flippant is how we got here & no surprise as to resolution proposed. Pushing them all the way back requires betting the farm. Is that your answer? Windsheer reported on final, continue the approach or come back later? Real time, real consequences fortune cookie man.
05-19-2024, 08:12 PM
#3057
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WE ARE NOT THE AGGRESSORS.
05-19-2024, 08:22 PM
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Suprised to see you reference The Cipher Brief.
Their articles, and the experts they often cite, do not tend to support your ultimate conclusions regarding what the USA should do regarding Ukraine.
Did you read the entire article you linked? Including the interview(s) at the end?
They concede some points, but disagree with the fundamental points that you make on this site.
Their articles, and the experts they often cite, do not tend to support your ultimate conclusions regarding what the USA should do regarding Ukraine.
Did you read the entire article you linked? Including the interview(s) at the end?
They concede some points, but disagree with the fundamental points that you make on this site.
05-19-2024, 08:27 PM
#3060
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Sophist = person who reasons with clever but fallacious arguments
What I said is not fallacious. Yes, you found an article about the Iowa Ordinance Plant. But one should be fully truthful and say many bound for Ukraine are made in Pennsylvania, as well. Others will be made in Texas, in the future. Presenting a part of the truth is not good for a person's credibility. And when pointed out, a lesser person gets defensive and calls the other person all kinds of names. Enough said.
What I said is not fallacious. Yes, you found an article about the Iowa Ordinance Plant. But one should be fully truthful and say many bound for Ukraine are made in Pennsylvania, as well. Others will be made in Texas, in the future. Presenting a part of the truth is not good for a person's credibility. And when pointed out, a lesser person gets defensive and calls the other person all kinds of names. Enough said.
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