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Old 04-30-2024, 08:26 PM
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[QUOTE=MaxQ;3797579]I do not think I have ever engaged in an ad hominem attack on yourself. I state judgments based on your posts and my knowledge.

I have implied that you are ignorant of the causes of the war. That is merely a statement of objective fact from my perspective.
No, that is an ASSUMPTION on your part- although indeed we may also disagree on the causes of the war. But I am as entitled to my opinion of the causes of this war as you are to yours.


My most recent post merely repeated what I have stated multiple times regarding what you engage in. I just used examples from the USA's relatively recent history to illustrate.(tongue in cheek to make the poinr) Your positions mirror Lindbergh's America First, and remind even a casual observer of McClellan. (I did leave out Westmoreland due to recency)
You stated that I have impugned your character. I have not. I have impugned YOUR JUDGEMENT regarding posting your conclusions on the internet. Hence the implied classification of 'useful idiot'.
Oh, useful idiot? And you do not consider "idiot" to be an ad hominem attack? You and I indeed have different views.



A while back I made 3 lengthy "big picture" posts rebutting some of your basic premises. You dismissed with"you and I have different views".
I ssuspect you goggle search for articles that you then skim to back your conclusions. Due to the flood of articles, I suspect you don't even read most of them.
You suspect in error.

Regardless, it is an internet education, which you have deliberately crafted into a silo type of knowledge.
Knowledge is important, but it doesn't equate to understanding.The Fox is very clever, but the Hedgehog knows a few big things.
You make rather a large number I'd assumptions with no real basis in facts. You have in fact little knowledge of the degrees I have, the professional military education I have, or the military experience I have. Your assumptions appear to be based on your whim, rather than any demonstrable facts.

The internet has changed discussion/argument from basically private affairs into an instrument of war waged for the greatest prize.....control of public perception, and hence political/military/police power. I have pointed out at least 3 books, and at least one article from ISSW, that discuss this. It has evolved light years from propaganda, (which is your usual dismissive reply).

Your posts support the strategic goals of a power that is actively working to destroy/damage the stability of the world, and destroy a sovereign country and it's national identity.
Horse$hit. What is there about a discussion of logistics and manpower you believe supports ANYONE's goals. The facts are the facts, validated even by the Ukrainian government. They are desperately short of manpower and have had many of their combat troops in the trenches for 2+ years without relief while taking massive casualties. Do you have any idea just how ineffective troops become in such a situation? Have you ever been in combat?

This means you are actively assisting that country in it's waging of war.
I have stated this before, and will do so again.
Which was horse$hit before, horse$hit now, and will be horse$hit if you repeat it. Repeating a lie does not make it the truth

​​​​​​​Think about what you are doing.
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Think about what YOU are doing. It's right out of Orwell's 1984​​​​​​​. You are accusing me of being a thought criminal. For that matter, you are acting like the Red Guards chastising some poor school teacher for a lesson plan deviating from Mao's little red book.

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​​​​​​​That's both pathetic and laughable at the same time.
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Old 05-01-2024, 01:42 AM
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Think about what YOU are doing.
Yes. Let's.

You've spent the last 2 years and a good chunk of your daily ritual slinging RU propaganda for an audience of ~7.

At some point, you gotta wonder what you get out of it. Rubles ain't worth that much these days.
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Old 05-01-2024, 05:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog


You make rather a large number I'd assumptions with no real basis in facts. You have in fact little knowledge of the degrees I have, the professional military education I have, or the military experience I have. Your assumptions appear to be based on your whim, rather than any demonstrable facts.

How about telling us about your degrees, professional milltary education or military experience?

Almost every talking head general out there thinks we should be supporting Ukraine *AND* we should be doing more.

Are you a 2, 3, or 4 star general who acutally dealt with manpower, logistics, international relations, and military alliances versus hostile countries? They actually have "demonstrable facts" behind their professional opinion and advice.
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Old 05-01-2024, 06:18 AM
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How about telling us about your degrees, professional milltary education or military experience?

Almost every talking head general out there thinks we should be supporting Ukraine *AND* we should be doing more.

Are you a 2, 3, or 4 star general who acutally dealt with manpower, logistics, international relations, and military alliances versus hostile countries? They actually have "demonstrable facts" behind their professional opinion and advice.
Oh yeah, same nose pickers sold us Saddam’s nukes. Generals whistle the Co. tune.
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Old 05-01-2024, 06:30 AM
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Oh yeah, same nose pickers sold us Saddam’s nukes. Generals whistle the Co. tune.
And it's far worse than it used to be because promotions now are more political than they once were.
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And it's far worse than it used to be because promotions now are more political than they once were.
McCarthyism in reverse. That & pee wee's playhouse at the same time. Tear down Gen. Lee on Traveller today, elect Frankenstein in Rayban's tomorrow.
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Old 05-01-2024, 06:52 AM
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Yes. Let's.

You've spent the last 2 years and a good chunk of your daily ritual slinging RU propaganda for an audience of ~7.
You are about as inaccurate there as in most of your postings. Take a look at the number of views. Currently it's just north of 194,000. A couple of weeks ago it was 182,000. People are watching and learning. Nor is it "slinging RU propaganda" when I'm quoting sources as reputable as US military studies and air war college papers. You obviously haven't been actually reading what I reference. Equally obviously, other people have.

Generally speaking, actually presenting well thought out arguments is a more effective tactic than just slinging ad hominems and insults but you do you.
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Old 05-01-2024, 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
You are about as inaccurate there as in most of your postings. Take a look at the number of views. Currently it's just north of 194,000. A couple of weeks ago it was 182,000. People are watching and learning. Nor is it "slinging RU propaganda" when I'm quoting sources as reputable as US military studies and air war college papers. You obviously haven't been actually reading what I reference. Equally obviously, other people have.

Generally speaking, actually presenting well thought out arguments is a more effective tactic than just slinging ad hominems and insults but you do you.
I liken the number of views like the number of views of a car wreck, as they pass by. People are fascinated by them.
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Old 05-01-2024, 09:58 AM
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Will we hit 300,000 views before you present you resume detailing your military career, PME, and degrees?

People aren't getting educated coming to this thread. This is more like coming to the 'Pol Pot International School of Military Studies'....where they kill everyone with any intelligence.
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https://www.csis.org/analysis/what-u...ean-future-war


What Is in the Ukraine Aid Package, and What Does it Mean for the Future of the War?

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Congressional Appropriation for Ukraine since February 2022




Congressional appropriation

Signed into law

Amount (USD, billions)

Ukraine Supplemental Appropriations Act, 2022

March 15, 2022

13.6

Additional Ukraine Supplemental Appropriations Act, 2022

May 21, 2022

40.2

Ukraine Supplemental Appropriations Act, 2023

September 30, 2022

12.4

Additional Ukraine Supplemental Appropriations Act, 2023

December 29, 2022

47.4

Ukraine Security Supplemental Appropriations Act, 2024

April 4, 2024

60.7

Regular appropriations, FY 2022, FY 2023, and FY 2024

0.9

Total

175.2
Source: Authors’ calculations based on congressional budget documents.


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Known Equipment Delivery Timelines to Ukraine




Equipment

First commitment date

Earliest known arrival in Ukraine

Number of days from announcement to earliest known arrival

Patriot air defense battery

December 21, 2022

April 19, 2023

119

National Advanced Surface-to-Air Missile System

July 1, 2022

November 7, 2022

129

Avenger air defense system

November 10, 2022

April 6, 2023

147

VAMPIRE counter-Unmanned Aerial System

December 6, 2022

June 1, 2023

177

HIMARS

June 1, 2022

June 23, 2022

22

155 mm Howitzer

April 13, 2022

April 25, 2022

12

155 mm Self-Propelled Howitzer

January 6, 2023

May 3, 2023

117

105 mm Howitzer

August 19, 2022

December 1, 2022

104

Abrams tanks

February 3, 2023

September 25, 2023

234

Bradley IFV

January 6, 2023

April 17, 2023

101

Stryker Armored Personnel Carrier

January 19, 2023

March 21, 2023

61

M113 Armored Personnel Carrier

April 13, 2022

July 13, 2022

91

Mine Resistant Ambush Protected Vehicle

December 21, 2022

September 7, 2023

260

M60 Armored Vehicle Launched Bridge

March 20, 2023

January 26, 2024

312

M1117 Armored Security Vehicle

November 4, 2022

March 17, 2024

499

Mi-17

April 13, 2022

May 3, 2022

20
Source: Authors’ calculations based on PDA and USAI announcements; Oryx; and public social media announcements by Ukrainian and American officials.


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​​​​​​​ A large number of ATACMS could be sent quickly, as more than 1,000 are in the U.S. stockpile today. The risk of the United States being short for other conflicts is low because the Precision Strike Missile—the successor to the ATACMS—began deliveries in late 2023. ATACMS is obsolescent.

Enhancing air defense, one of Ukraine’s top needs, will take years because the United States eliminated most of that capability after the Cold War. For example, the United States committed 14 National Advanced Surface-to-Air Missile Systems (NASAMS). The first two NASAMS, as a PDA drawdown, arrived in November 2022, taking about four months to deliver. The other 10 NASAMS committed under USAI will not arrive until 2025 at the earliest because of a 24-month production lead time.
​​​​​​​The article is a worthwhile read for those who really want the FACTS about the recent Ukraine aid package.
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