Ukraine conflict
04-29-2024, 01:01 PM
#2851
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How DARE we provide the Ukrainians with the means to protect their population from a barrage of Russian missiles & drones?! What warmongers we are! A peace loving country would look the other way as the Russian war machine ravaged its way through the land and its people! But NOOO! The warmongering United States always has to butt in with its “values” like human rights and sovereign borders. Just imagine what the world could be like for despots and oligarchs if the US wasn’t such a ******* Debbi Downer!
U.S. officials said the aid package will be funded through the Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative, which pays for longer-term contracts with the defense industry and means that it could take many months or years for the weapons to arrive. The officials spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss details not yet made public.
Missile production is increasing in the U.S., particularly the Lockheed Martin-made PAC-3 MSE missiles, the most capable variant. The company is making hundreds of them over the next two years.
Lockheed was building 350 MSE missiles a year in 2018 and was working to ramp up its production to 500 missiles a year prior to Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022.
Lockheed is now fully funded by the U.S. Army to build 550 missiles a year at its Camden, Arkansas, production line. In December, Lockheed hit a rate of 500 per year, Brenda Davidson, the company’s vice president of PAC-3 programs, told Defense News.
Lockheed was building 350 MSE missiles a year in 2018 and was working to ramp up its production to 500 missiles a year prior to Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022.
Lockheed is now fully funded by the U.S. Army to build 550 missiles a year at its Camden, Arkansas, production line. In December, Lockheed hit a rate of 500 per year, Brenda Davidson, the company’s vice president of PAC-3 programs, told Defense News.
Lockheed has started an expansion to attempt to bring their production up to 650 missiles a year. They hope to hit that goal by 2027 assuming the supply chain stabilizes. Boeing makes the seeker head for the PAC-3.
Logistics, logistics, logistics...
04-29-2024, 01:18 PM
#2852
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How DARE we provide the Ukrainians with the means to protect their population from a barrage of Russian missiles & drones?! What warmongers we are! A peace loving country would look the other way as the Russian war machine ravaged its way through the land and its people! But NOOO! The warmongering United States always has to butt in with its “values” like human rights and sovereign borders. Just imagine what the world could be like for despots and oligarchs if the US wasn’t such a ******* Debbi Downer!
04-29-2024, 02:55 PM
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This IS that world, Polly Anna. The US represents a little over 4% of the globe’s gen pop. Its sovereign border seriously compromised as value tapped flows away in the form of guns, bad debt and wealth transfer rip offs. Peace for our time, far off as it ever was. It’s a downer alright.
04-29-2024, 03:09 PM
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Nah. Being Pollyannaish is remotely conflating the “invasion” on our southern border (don’t get me wrong…urgently needs fixing…separate discussion), with what’s happened in Ukraine (you know, an actual invasion with tanks and stuff). Again, some people really, REALLY seem to want to make this a divisive political issue, an others are all too willing to buy into the narrative.
04-29-2024, 06:00 PM
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No ideas from The Hangar Talk Riddler. Just talking points written in fortune cookie fortunes.
04-29-2024, 06:44 PM
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04-30-2024, 04:27 AM
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04-30-2024, 04:41 AM
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How DARE we provide the Ukrainians with the means to protect their population from a barrage of Russian missiles & drones?! What warmongers we are! A peace loving country would look the other way as the Russian war machine ravaged its way through the land and its people! But NOOO! The warmongering United States always has to butt in with its “values” like human rights and sovereign borders. Just imagine what the world could be like for despots and oligarchs if the US wasn’t such a ******* Debbi Downer!
Then later perhaps Linbergh's America First Movement.
Narrow emphasis on problems alone leads to loss of the "big picture". It can also lead to resignation and fatalism.
There too is the human failing of working to achieve an outcome one has predicted, whether the outcome is beneficial or not. One just wants to be "right". An emotional trap we are all vulnerable to.
04-30-2024, 05:37 AM
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04-30-2024, 05:48 AM
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Perhaps in previous lives Cargo was an adviser to Union General George McClellan.
Then later perhaps Linbergh's America First Movement.
Narrow emphasis on problems alone leads to loss of the "big picture". It can also lead to resignation and fatalism.
There too is the human failing of working to achieve an outcome one has predicted, whether the outcome is beneficial or not. One just wants to be "right". An emotional trap we are all vulnerable to.
Then later perhaps Linbergh's America First Movement.
Narrow emphasis on problems alone leads to loss of the "big picture". It can also lead to resignation and fatalism.
There too is the human failing of working to achieve an outcome one has predicted, whether the outcome is beneficial or not. One just wants to be "right". An emotional trap we are all vulnerable to.
Now you can impugn people's character to your hearts content, but it doesn't change reality. The "big picture" is that Ukraine has serious manpower and logistics problems that do not appear to be improving and in fact are getting worse. Absent NATO boots on the ground in Ukraine that's not likely to change. And with the state of the military in most of the larger European NATO countries (I'm sorry, little Estonia and Lithuania scarcely count) the only really capable NATO boots in any great number have US feet in them (I'll concede Poland's contribution wouldn't be entirely trivial). But right now Ukraine is slowly losing and their military position is becoming increasingly tenuous.
So if you want to advocate for US boots on the ground in Ukraine you can certainly do that, but that is the "big picture" as much as you might want to pretend otherwise.
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