Originally Posted by Excargodog

None of which had squat to do with the USSR occupation of Eastern Europe and half of Germany which OUR PRESIDENT agreed to at Yalta. And, for that matter, it was agreed to because they were our allies against Nazi Germany, which had swallowed up pretty much all of Europe and much of North Africa by the time we got in the war. Nobody ever said the world was a safe place. Do you think we would have done better in WWII if the USSR hadn't absorbed 8.7 million military (and 19 million civilian) casualties fighting on OUR side? And given that we went only five years later into a war in Korea involving Communist China, in which our troops lost 36,000 dead service members do you think we wouldn't have built up those forces anyway? Or the Vietnam War where we lost another 50,000 dead?

Interventions anywhere are costly, nor is there any guarantee of eventual success. All the more reason we should enter them cautiously.

Originally Posted by METO Guido

Ex is a soldier. Or a conduit for some depending on your bias. Focus on the what before the who. Wars are waged for property rights. Principles run up and down with the yard marker like a cheer squad. No one ever heard of ISW much less gas what they think. Does the turf clawed out of Ukraine really matter to some unlucky dude from Honduras working midnights on a bridge in Baltimore? Probably not.

Originally Posted by Excargodog

None of which had squat to do with the USSR occupation of Eastern Europe and half of Germany

Originally Posted by Sliceback

There's some obvious disconnect from reality. He's not a soldier. He was a soldier. Khmer Rouge had soldiers. Nazi Germany had soldiers. The U.S. has white supremacists in our ranks. The Norwegian had soldiers who were Qusilings. None of them are worth a darn today. He's not some high level 3 or 4 star general who knows more about the inner workings of the global militaries and national objectives of countries. The fact that YOU haven't heard of the ISW doesn't mean OTHERS haven't heard of them. Guess who they are? They include high level 3 and 4 stars generals who've actively lead our troops in preparing to fight Russia.

But you think we should follow your opinion vs the opinion of known experts. Oh kay....

Originally Posted by METO Guido

Look deeper. Deeper than your opinion or mine. Policy at home, spending more to the point, ISW who nobody ever heard of, can go feed at the trough like any other bs lobby. I’m not selling anything. What’s any of it do with white power?

Originally Posted by ReluctantEskimo

There's no investment being held back by Ukraine. Just lies and misdirection.

Originally Posted by METO Guido

Look deeper. Deeper than your opinion or mine. Policy at home, spending more to the point, ISW who nobody ever heard of, can go feed at the trough like any other bs lobby. I’m not selling anything. What’s any of it do with white power?

Originally Posted by Hubcapped

isw is free bro……check it out, and look at their bench. Alot of people with more street cred than all of us put together.

cargo is certainly a fascinating troll……it must be tough living in the mind of such a scared and delusional individual to the point that he obsessively posts here all day, cant have normal conversations, and can never admit he was in error when presented with direct evidence. You have to admire his obtuse bullheaded lack of ability to understand nuance. can you imagine flying with this guy? Holee

Originally Posted by Sliceback

Delusional. The U.S. military spending, for 40+ years, in Europe had nothing to do with the Russian occupation of Eastern Europe or East Germany?

Originally Posted by Excargodog

Nope. It had more to do with protecting the then existing NATO members who even then were too cheap to fund their own defense adequately. And what did that get us? In 1980 the US National debt was $914 Billion. Today it is $34.6 TRILLION.

https://www.usdebtclock.org

Maybe it's time for Europe to actually pay for the defense of Europe...