Ukraine conflict
03-07-2024, 05:15 AM
#2481
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Joined APC: Oct 2009
Posts: 805
Leave Saigon, Cambodia, Persia, Pakistan, Iraq, Afghanistan, Ukraine in the lurch, no way. Never happens. If ex is a mole, nicely done. Don’t see a cargo dog in the screen name but true to form otherwise. If you’re saying ex is getting editorial help? Then ok, it’s working. Known beyond the forum? That’s almost good as a bobble head.
Some of it dates back to 1943 or 44 when Stalin started pushing the narrative of all sufffering is Russian. All heroism is Russian. Holy Russia. Glory to Russia.
While Russia did suffer, basically it was a lie. Most of the suffering....much at the hands of Russians...was endured by Poles, Belarussians, Ukrainies, Latvians,etc.
Oh yes...the Jews. Whom were convieniently ignored by Russian news and propaganda until the 60's.
Same thing with the Yalta bull**** about "buffer states", and that somehow aggressive, imperialistic Russia must be paranoid because Mother Russia has been invaded. Yet historically usually she was the invader.
Moscow needed this lie, (and the West went along with it), to justify it's rule of, and redrawing the borders of, the nations it occupied after the liberation from the Nazi's.
I see this nonsense repeated yet today as though it somehow justifies Russia invading sovereign states.
Ideas and beliefs, be they truth based or not, are every bit as important as logistics.
Not understanding this is a major component of the USA failing to accomplish many of it's military/foreign policy objectives the past few generations.
I suspect Lowslung had similar War College training as exCargo. He seems to have used real world interaction with those who had a lived experience of the "eternal Slavic fraternity" to arrive at a fuller understanding of how things east of the Odra actually are.
Some of the background of the phrase Slava Ukraine is bitterness. It is a re-worded turnaround from their invading oppressors. It is a verbal finger, because of it's history.
It is a historical and ironic reminder to Putin as to who did much of the heavy lifting during "The Great Patriotic War".
Russia did a lot. But Russia didn't bear the full onslaught of it.
We should cease helping spread this misinformation.
Last edited by MaxQ; 03-07-2024 at 05:35 AM.
03-07-2024, 06:01 AM
#2482
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Joined APC: Jun 2022
Posts: 1,466
Leave Saigon, Cambodia, Persia, Pakistan, Iraq, Afghanistan, Ukraine in the lurch, no way. Never happens. If ex is a mole, nicely done. Don’t see a cargo dog in the screen name but true to form otherwise. If you’re saying ex is getting editorial help? Then ok, it’s working. Known beyond the forum? That’s almost good as a bobble head.
Hey meto, what is your specific plan to stop RU territorial aggression towards the baltic states?
I Thought so
for all your odd ramblings, you cant even formulate a coherent plan to support your bumbling arguments that “war is bad”…..yeah no sh1t we know war is bad, thats why making it so costly for the RU should be our number one priority
03-07-2024, 06:21 AM
#2483
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Joined APC: Apr 2011
Posts: 1,902
Of course he is getting editorial help. As are you also.
Some of it dates back to 1943 or 44 when Stalin started pushing the narrative of all sufffering is Russian. All heroism is Russian. Holy Russia. Glory to Russia.
While Russia did suffer, basically it was a lie. Most of the suffering....much at the hands of Russians...was endured by Poles, Belarussians, Ukrainies, Latvians,etc.
Oh yes...the Jews. Whom were convieniently ignored by Russian news and propaganda until the 60's.
Same thing with the Yalta bull**** about "buffer states", and that somehow aggressive, imperialistic Russia must be paranoid because Mother Russia has been invaded. Yet historically usually she was the invader.
Moscow needed this lie, (and the West went along with it), to justify it's rule of, and redrawing the borders of, the nations it occupied after the liberation from the Nazi's.
I see this nonsense repeated yet today as though it somehow justifies Russia invading sovereign states.
Ideas and beliefs, be they truth based or not, are every bit as important as logistics.
Not understanding this is a major component of the USA failing to accomplish many of it's military/foreign policy objectives the past few generations.
I suspect Lowslung had similar War College training as exCargo. He seems to have used real world interaction with those who had a lived experience of the "eternal Slavic fraternity" to arrive at a fuller understanding of how things east of the Odra actually are.
Some of the background of the phrase Slava Ukraine is bitterness. It is a re-worded turnaround from their invading oppressors. It is a verbal finger, because of it's history.
It is a historical and ironic reminder to Putin as to who did much of the heavy lifting during "The Great Patriotic War".
Russia did a lot. But Russia didn't bear the full onslaught of it.
We should cease helping spread this misinformation.
Some of it dates back to 1943 or 44 when Stalin started pushing the narrative of all sufffering is Russian. All heroism is Russian. Holy Russia. Glory to Russia.
While Russia did suffer, basically it was a lie. Most of the suffering....much at the hands of Russians...was endured by Poles, Belarussians, Ukrainies, Latvians,etc.
Oh yes...the Jews. Whom were convieniently ignored by Russian news and propaganda until the 60's.
Same thing with the Yalta bull**** about "buffer states", and that somehow aggressive, imperialistic Russia must be paranoid because Mother Russia has been invaded. Yet historically usually she was the invader.
Moscow needed this lie, (and the West went along with it), to justify it's rule of, and redrawing the borders of, the nations it occupied after the liberation from the Nazi's.
I see this nonsense repeated yet today as though it somehow justifies Russia invading sovereign states.
Ideas and beliefs, be they truth based or not, are every bit as important as logistics.
Not understanding this is a major component of the USA failing to accomplish many of it's military/foreign policy objectives the past few generations.
I suspect Lowslung had similar War College training as exCargo. He seems to have used real world interaction with those who had a lived experience of the "eternal Slavic fraternity" to arrive at a fuller understanding of how things east of the Odra actually are.
Some of the background of the phrase Slava Ukraine is bitterness. It is a re-worded turnaround from their invading oppressors. It is a verbal finger, because of it's history.
It is a historical and ironic reminder to Putin as to who did much of the heavy lifting during "The Great Patriotic War".
Russia did a lot. But Russia didn't bear the full onslaught of it.
We should cease helping spread this misinformation.
03-07-2024, 06:25 AM
#2484
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Joined APC: Oct 2023
Posts: 197
I understand both of you would like for me to self censor my opinion since you have been unable to come up with any logical coherent argument to convince me otherwise. But however much you are entitled to express your opinion, I'm just as entitled to express mine. If the best argument yiu have is calling me names or accusing me of "right wing fear porn" or similar, this is an argument you will continue to progressively lose.
03-07-2024, 06:39 AM
#2485
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Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 12,252
LOL. I must have really gotten under Hub's skin for him to go back through thousands of posts to find postings that disagreed with me, mostly from AA guys who objected to me saying that their company debt load was going to be strong headwinds if interest rates went up - which they have.
And it was. Interest expense for AAL was $2.145 BILLION in 2023
https://americanairlines.gcs-web.com...full-year-2023
versus $1.06 BILLION preCOVID, despite their paying down over $3 billion in their debt.
That's a simple function of having to refinance long term debt in an environment of higher interest rates. Bur some people want to blame me or the Fed, not basic Econ 101. Or Putin, although the US going deeper into debt for all these overseas interventions certainly doesn't help any. My guess is we will soon be intervening in Haiti.
https://www.theatlantic.com/internat...rizier/677669/
Again.
https://history.state.gov/milestones...Haitian%20soil.
For about the 12th time. With the only real change, the UN gave them cholera the last time.
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...lled-thousands
Seriously, we need to give up this "White Man's Burden" $hit
https://www.kiplingsociety.co.uk/poem/poems_burden.htm
and let these cultures find their own way in the world. We can't play the role of parent forever.
But anyway, Hub, it's good to know I have one groupie, not just following MY postings but cherishing the postings of those who disagree with me. Talk about getting under someone's skin...LOL
And it was. Interest expense for AAL was $2.145 BILLION in 2023
https://americanairlines.gcs-web.com...full-year-2023
versus $1.06 BILLION preCOVID, despite their paying down over $3 billion in their debt.
That's a simple function of having to refinance long term debt in an environment of higher interest rates. Bur some people want to blame me or the Fed, not basic Econ 101. Or Putin, although the US going deeper into debt for all these overseas interventions certainly doesn't help any. My guess is we will soon be intervening in Haiti.
https://www.theatlantic.com/internat...rizier/677669/
Again.
https://history.state.gov/milestones...Haitian%20soil.
For about the 12th time. With the only real change, the UN gave them cholera the last time.
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...lled-thousands
Seriously, we need to give up this "White Man's Burden" $hit
https://www.kiplingsociety.co.uk/poem/poems_burden.htm
and let these cultures find their own way in the world. We can't play the role of parent forever.
But anyway, Hub, it's good to know I have one groupie, not just following MY postings but cherishing the postings of those who disagree with me. Talk about getting under someone's skin...LOL
03-07-2024, 07:29 AM
#2486
Gets Weekends Off
Thread Starter
Joined APC: Jun 2022
Posts: 1,466
LOL. I must have really gotten under Hub's skin for him to go back through thousands of posts to find postings that disagreed with me, mostly from AA guys who objected to me saying that their company debt load was going to be strong headwinds if interest rates went up - which they have.
And it was. Interest expense for AAL was $2.145 BILLION in 2023
https://americanairlines.gcs-web.com...full-year-2023
versus $1.06 BILLION preCOVID, despite their paying down over $3 billion in their debt.
That's a simple function of having to refinance long term debt in an environment of higher interest rates. Bur some people want to blame me or the Fed, not basic Econ 101. Or Putin, although the US going deeper into debt for all these overseas interventions certainly doesn't help any. My guess is we will soon be intervening in Haiti.
https://www.theatlantic.com/internat...rizier/677669/
Again.
https://history.state.gov/milestones...Haitian%20soil.
For about the 12th time. With the only real change, the UN gave them cholera the last time.
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...lled-thousands
Seriously, we need to give up this "White Man's Burden" $hit
https://www.kiplingsociety.co.uk/poem/poems_burden.htm
and let these cultures find their own way in the world. We can't play the role of parent forever.
But anyway, Hub, it's good to know I have one groupie, not just following MY postings but cherishing the postings of those who disagree with me. Talk about getting under someone's skin...LOL
And it was. Interest expense for AAL was $2.145 BILLION in 2023
https://americanairlines.gcs-web.com...full-year-2023
versus $1.06 BILLION preCOVID, despite their paying down over $3 billion in their debt.
That's a simple function of having to refinance long term debt in an environment of higher interest rates. Bur some people want to blame me or the Fed, not basic Econ 101. Or Putin, although the US going deeper into debt for all these overseas interventions certainly doesn't help any. My guess is we will soon be intervening in Haiti.
https://www.theatlantic.com/internat...rizier/677669/
Again.
https://history.state.gov/milestones...Haitian%20soil.
For about the 12th time. With the only real change, the UN gave them cholera the last time.
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...lled-thousands
Seriously, we need to give up this "White Man's Burden" $hit
https://www.kiplingsociety.co.uk/poem/poems_burden.htm
and let these cultures find their own way in the world. We can't play the role of parent forever.
But anyway, Hub, it's good to know I have one groupie, not just following MY postings but cherishing the postings of those who disagree with me. Talk about getting under someone's skin...LOL
keep flopping around, today should be fun…..i do love my little immature endorphin rush watching you get stomped. I think you just made my week bringing up covid and white man guilt trying to rationalize a position that has nothing to do with ukraine……oh man i love it
LOVE IT! Feed me baby bird!
how do you invade a country with 6000 nukes?
How could there have been a deal to not expand NATO in 1990 when the Warsaw pack didn’t break up until 1991?
How can Russia invade Ukraine for fear of joining NATO when in 2014 Ukraine had not expressed any interest in NATO?
These are the questions you never answer because you are a coward and a slave to russian propaganda
03-07-2024, 08:37 AM
#2487
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Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 12,252
Germany, the economic engine of Europe.
within Cessna 172 range of Red Square:
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/air-s...-rust-7101888/
If the Germans don't care, why should Americans?
https://www.politico.eu/article/germ...-for-a-reason/
excerpts:
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/air-s...-rust-7101888/
If the Germans don't care, why should Americans?
https://www.politico.eu/article/germ...-for-a-reason/
excerpts:
Ever since Scholz realized Ukraine was capable of defending itself against Russia, his strategy has been to act in tandem with Washington in supplying Ukraine with just enough weaponry and equipment to survive, including anti-aircraft batteries and tanks, while withholding the tools it would need to win.
He has made no secret of this approach. To this day, Scholz, who belongs to Germany’s Social Democratic Party (SPD), has refused to say he wants Ukraine to win the war, saying only that “Russia must not win and Ukraine must not lose.”
He has made no secret of this approach. To this day, Scholz, who belongs to Germany’s Social Democratic Party (SPD), has refused to say he wants Ukraine to win the war, saying only that “Russia must not win and Ukraine must not lose.”
Berlin’s approach to Ukraine aid is perhaps best captured by the German saying, “too much to die, too little to live.”
Yet even the approach of giving the Ukrainians just enough to hang on is expensive. Hence the chancellor’s shaming of other European countries to increase their contributions.
So far, Germany has committed military aid worth an estimated €17.7 billion. This ranks it second after the United States in terms of headline contribution, but only 11th as a percentage of GDP.
That suggests Germans have the fiscal capacity to do much more. But they don’t want to. Only about 20 percent of Germans think their country should be doing more to support Ukraine militarily, according to recent polls. While 40 percent think Berlin has sent enough weapons, another 40 percent think it’s gone too far.
Yet even the approach of giving the Ukrainians just enough to hang on is expensive. Hence the chancellor’s shaming of other European countries to increase their contributions.
So far, Germany has committed military aid worth an estimated €17.7 billion. This ranks it second after the United States in terms of headline contribution, but only 11th as a percentage of GDP.
That suggests Germans have the fiscal capacity to do much more. But they don’t want to. Only about 20 percent of Germans think their country should be doing more to support Ukraine militarily, according to recent polls. While 40 percent think Berlin has sent enough weapons, another 40 percent think it’s gone too far.
Germany’s relations with Russia, however, cannot be defined by fear alone. For many Germans who grew up in communist East Germany, Russia is still regarded as more of a friend than a foe. East Germany was never subjugated by the Soviets to the degree that Poland and other Warsaw Pact countries were, and so attitudes toward Russia in Germany’s east are — to this day — much more positive.
That tendency is reflected in political polling, with the pro-Russian Alternative for Germany (AfD) party leading in all five of the states that comprised East Germany (except for Berlin).
That tendency is reflected in political polling, with the pro-Russian Alternative for Germany (AfD) party leading in all five of the states that comprised East Germany (except for Berlin).
Scholz’s reluctance to go all in for Ukraine suggests his endgame is for Ukraine to agree to peace talks, sooner rather than later. In that respect, the refusal of Republicans in U.S. Congress to push through another aid package for Ukraine plays into the Germans’ hands.
Provided his coalition doesn’t unexpectedly collapse before then, Scholz faces an election in fall of 2025. With his personal ratings the lowest in recorded history for a chancellor, the coalition’s agenda in disarray and the economy in the doldrums, he needs an issue to run on.
It might come as a shock to many outside Germany — but the one area where the chancellor consistently polls well domestically is his handling of Ukraine.
Provided his coalition doesn’t unexpectedly collapse before then, Scholz faces an election in fall of 2025. With his personal ratings the lowest in recorded history for a chancellor, the coalition’s agenda in disarray and the economy in the doldrums, he needs an issue to run on.
It might come as a shock to many outside Germany — but the one area where the chancellor consistently polls well domestically is his handling of Ukraine.
03-07-2024, 08:51 AM
#2488
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Thread Starter
Joined APC: Jun 2022
Posts: 1,466
within Cessna 172 range of Red Square:
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/air-s...-rust-7101888/
If the Germans don't care, why should Americans?
https://www.politico.eu/article/germ...-for-a-reason/
excerpts:
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/air-s...-rust-7101888/
If the Germans don't care, why should Americans?
https://www.politico.eu/article/germ...-for-a-reason/
excerpts:
how do you invade a country with 6000 nukes?
How could there have been a deal to not expand NATO in 1990 when the Warsaw pack didn’t break up until 1991?
How can Russia invade Ukraine for fear of joining NATO when in 2014 Ukraine had not expressed any interest in NATO?
lets go my little pigeon, ive got a long sit where i need entertainment
03-07-2024, 12:57 PM
#2489
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: Window seat
Posts: 5,527
... mostly from AA guys who objected to me saying that their company debt load was going to be strong headwinds if interest rates went up - which they have.
And it was. Interest expense for AAL was $2.145 BILLION in 2023
https://americanairlines.gcs-web.com...full-year-2023
versus $1.06 BILLION preCOVID, despite their paying down over $3 billion in their debt.
That's a simple function of having to refinance long term debt in an environment of higher interest rates.
And it was. Interest expense for AAL was $2.145 BILLION in 2023
https://americanairlines.gcs-web.com...full-year-2023
versus $1.06 BILLION preCOVID, despite their paying down over $3 billion in their debt.
That's a simple function of having to refinance long term debt in an environment of higher interest rates.
The data you presented showed AA's interest payments going up $1.139 Billion. United in the same period (?)(2019-2023)? It went up $1.386 billion. That's 21.7% more than AA's interest payments. Where's your concern about United's interest payments and debt?
Delta? Their interest payments only went up $531 million 2019-2023.
Seems like United's on it's death bed... :-/
03-07-2024, 03:04 PM
#2490
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Joined APC: Apr 2011
Posts: 1,902
these are quotes from the major forum in the”pilot shortage is over” thread. They are directed at excargo……try to keep up meto
Hey meto, what is your specific plan to stop RU territorial aggression towards the baltic states?
I Thought so
for all your odd ramblings, you cant even formulate a coherent plan to support your bumbling arguments that “war is bad”…..yeah no sh1t we know war is bad, thats why making it so costly for the RU should be our number one priority
Hey meto, what is your specific plan to stop RU territorial aggression towards the baltic states?
I Thought so
for all your odd ramblings, you cant even formulate a coherent plan to support your bumbling arguments that “war is bad”…..yeah no sh1t we know war is bad, thats why making it so costly for the RU should be our number one priority
Not my war. NOT MY WAR. 3 words, easy peasy
Your anti ex campaign is creepy. Enough with the bird obsession. Bid shorter trips.
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