Stan446

Putin and Zelensky have better odds at reaching an agreement than anyone here I see. Funny, guys arguing over a conflict they have no control over.

Hubcapped

so US foreign policy did not win the Cold War?

Why can’t you have honest conversations?
Why can’t you quote me as saying all those things claimed I did five pages ago?
Why can’t you tell us how someone invades a country with 6000 nukes?

Oh my pigeon, you bring me such joy with your floundering

METO Guido

No argument there, Stan.

OP’s found a proper shade spot courtesy somebody on here? Gets to burp a steady litany of slurs as few others can. Ungrateful, callous & juvie. Typically miles from any legit point or intention. But…what do I know? Already self disclosed as fool. Not the handicap it used to be

Hubcapped

cry me a river meto, don’t participate then. I can’t understand what you say 99% of the time. Im not the only one friend…..self reflect For the love of christ

to be VERY clear….i only respond when our resident RU propagandist posts his agenda driven garbage. Please quote me posting a random opinion, out of the blue, in the last 18 months. I beg you to find one…..hint: you wont.

you’re starting to lose it bud. If youre getting emotional, take a break

or finally answer the question i know made you butthurt:

what is your plan, specifically, to stop RU’s territorial aggression? Be specific

METO Guido

Going with my magic f’ing wand & forked tail. located just N of the hurt-butt

https://youtu.be/xeoI5IkwlV4?si=KkInIflCj_wyHIQD

Excargodog

...for a defense investment of €1.5 Billion to make headlines?

https://www.politico.eu/article/peac...hierry-breton/

And of course the priority actually isn't defense per se, it's more about limiting weapons purchases to those from the EU.

METO Guido

So EU gets behind a populist hardliner, LePen, Haider whoever, what makes anyone think the massive euros required for a return to Cold War conventional army strength will come pouring out? Not going to happen. Loser all the way around.

Hubcapped

Let’s understand your position. Let’s have it clear as day exactly what you would have the US do.

Are you advocating that Europe should defend Ukraine against Russian aggression, and if they are unable to do so in a timely manner so as to allow Ukraine to maintain its sovereignty, The United States should still not get involved?

this is not bait, and it’s not loaded, I’m just trying to understand why you spam so much to So few in desperation

Excargodog

I'm just trying to understand why you are so unfailingly impolite. Even in this

paragraph, you are unable to resist saying

Try as you will (and I believe at times you really DO try), you can't seem to keep the conversation civil.


But with regard to my above posting, yes, I am advocating that Europe defend ITSELF against aggression from Russia or anyone else, that they defend their Red Sea trade routes against Houthi rebels and anyone else that threatens European trade routes. Nor is it a case of them being UNABLE to do so, it's that they are too damn CHEAP to do so, and it is apparent that even the occupation of Crimea TEN YEARS AGO and the attack on Ukraine two years ago have not changed them. Collectively the EU has a gdp fairly equal to that of the US

https://www.bruegel.org/analysis/european-unions-remarkable-growth-performance-relative-united-
states

and over ten times that of Russia. We are already paying to cover Europe's share of strategic nuclear deterrence while the UK and France have - at best - token nuclear deterrence capability.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gyohwea-JM

https://www.swp-berlin.org/10.18449/2023C15/

https://thebulletin.org/premium/2023-07/nuclear-notebook-french-nuclear-weapons-2023/

It does not seem unreasonable that Europe comply with the promises that they have been making to increase their own defensive capabilities rather than taking "Cold War peace dividends" continuously and increasingly for the last three decades.

But getting back to your comment about whether the US "should get involved," that's rather a moot point. The US has provided far more equipment and ordnance to the Ukrainians than any European country has - in fact, far more war material than ALL the EU countries put together.

The question is, what now? And my opinion on that remains unchanged. This will either end in a negotiated settlement, a conventional war with US boots on the ground, a limited and probably tactical nuclear war, or a strategic nuclear war.

Which of those is YOUR preference?

Excargodog

...la jour de glorie, est arrive'...

PRAGUE — Tensions between Berlin and Paris spilled into the open Tuesday as German Defense Minister Boris Pistorius hit back at President Emmanuel Macron for urging Europe not to be "cowards" in the defense of Ukraine.

Macron delivered his acerbic remarks in Prague, where he also stood square behind his hawkish counsel from last week that the West should not rule out sending forces to support Kyiv against Russia's invading troops.

Speaking at a meeting with the French community, Macron said: "Europe clearly faces a moment when it will be necessary not to be cowards." He added that people "never want to see the tragedies that are coming."

Pistorius retorted that Macron's language was counterproductive.

"We don't need really, from my perspective at least, talk about boots on the ground or having more courage or less courage," Pistorius told reporters during a press conference with his Swedish counterpart Pål Jonson.

"This is something which does not really help solve the issues we have when it comes to helping Ukraine," he added.

Speaking to reporters on the sidelines of his visit to Prague, Macron said later that Germany had not been the target of his comments, but that it was "necessary" to shake up France's allies.

“If we are passive … we run the risk of suffering, suffering setbacks on the field, suffering possible disappointments in the U.S.,” he said.

Franco-German tensions over the war in Ukraine are rising. France has long felt frustrated that Germany regards relations with Washington as the keystone of European security, while Germany bristles at Macron's late conversion to self-styled war leader, especially when Berlin has given far more weapons to Ukraine than Paris has

https://www.politico.eu/article/macron-urges-europe-not-to-be-cowards-on-ukraine/