METO Guido

That’s it, I’m buying Meto a roller brush. The US is failing to accept its many limitations in decisions critical to security at home and abroad. While camps of homeless roam our cities behind shopping carts, we go on deploying troops, gifting arms & approving massive financial aid packages to scores of causes/countries as if those actions have no consequence beyond this year’s W2. One of the 1st things a pilot commits to memory when learning to operate an aircraft are its limitations. If you’ve taken any time at all to consider the attached charts, graphs and SME commentary posted on just these forum pages, it’s disingenuous not to acknowledge we’re running this baby at max EPR, all of the time. There is no margin for yet another WAR.

Hi Hub?

rickair7777

Be that as it may, we're not trying to solve the universe in this thread, just discussing how this thing might play out.

Hubcapped

Ahh, ok copy. That makes sense. I truly wasn’t trying to be mean or anything, I just genuinely thought he may be from a foreign country where English isn’t his first language.

To meto , sorry man, I’m not that smart to keep up with the inside commentary, I know my limits 😂. I flew fighters, have a passion for, and a degree emphasizing in, WW2. I read a lot of military non fiction. That’s about it.

I hear you in the domestic front and in a perfect world we would be able to clean that up. But RU invading ex soviet states must be stopped at all costs. For a myriad of reasons.

Logistically I believe if the Ukrainians got 30 M1s, 100 2a4s, and the refurbished t72s we will see some interesting maneuver warfare after the spring mud dries. Bahkmut gloc is still intact

METO Guido

American jets are preeminent weapon platforms. Goes without saying crews selected & qualified by the modern world’s deadliest fighting force in them are pushed hard to earn that assignment. It bothers me to read or watch political pawns speak of just handing OUR defense systems out. Your insight & honestly is encouraging.

METO Guido

I get that. The longer this plays out, the more crosses will dot the ground early.

Excargodog

The longer this plays out, the greater the chance that this evolves into the only type of fight in which Russia is still a world power.

But win, lose, or draw, this has put paid to nuclear nonproliferation. The Ukraine GAVE UP their nukes for diplomatic promises. Granted, it wasn’t THIS Ukrainian government, but at the demise of the Soviet Union Ukraine sort of became the worlds third most nuclear armed nation. But the diplomats on both sides gave them assurances and they gave up those weapons.

NO ONE will ever fall for that ploy again, That unfortunately includes Iran, North Korea, Pakistan, and - no doubt - a number of other nations that are nuclear capable or will soon become so.

METO Guido

Yep. Sooner or later shrooms gotta pop in anger. Solid prospect for the cross planting biz. Keep the reading list coming, it’s appreciated.

rickair7777

I thought that too. Also thought that Meto is smarter than the rest of us and that we're just missing some of what he's trying to say.

rickair7777

Hopefully none of ours this time.

Don't care about RU crosses this time, and the UR people have clearly decided it's worth standing up to the bear.

rickair7777

That's true, but that's exactly what Vlad wants us to do... give him free reign out of fear of the nucular bogeyman. Where does that end?

My guess is that if Vlad used tac nukes in UR, he'd get what he wanted... the west would back off, and the inevitable bloody insurgency would be sending russian boys home in body bags for years to come.

I'm confident that we will not push into nuclear brinksmanship following a RU tactical first use. Not worth it.

And most of the rest of the world would sanction and isolate him like nothing we've seen before, including most of his "friends" and neutrals. Also the dirty-tricks departments of various countries' national security enterprises would be off their leashes... key regime people might start turning up dead, key infrastructure having "accidents", RU submarines vanishing with no trace, western black operators in both UR and RU etc, etc. If he goes big, we'd go asymmetric.

Vlad's own people would then "take care" of him soon enough, so they could blame the whole mess on him and promise it won't happen again. Vlad must know that (probably), and that's not how he wants to finish out his career.



I agree with that after they saw what happened to saddam and qadafy duck. But it doesn't have any relevance to the UR situation, that die was cast decades ago.

Hopefully any future proliferation-minded nations will adopt the Iran model... perpetually working towards the finish line but never quite getting there. Avoids the worst of the sanctions, and also avoids awkward consequences like an IL first strike. It would be difficult for IL to deliver sufficiently large *conventional* bunker-busters...