ReluctantEskimo

Huh. That's interesting.

The point is the Greeks fought harder, with less. And they were eventually victorious.

Don't throw in the towel on behalf of the Ukrainians. It's not welcome.

Excargodog

If you call being massacred fighting harder, that title appears to belong to the Russians currently. They've lost more troops than the Ukrainians. But then they had more - and still have more - troops to lose.

My OPINION on this issue - although I've got significant military experience - will not change the outcome. The REALITY of the situation is what will determine the outcome. To think otherwise is to indulge in magical thinking. And in my military opinion, the REALITY of the situation vis a vis Personnel and resources certainly does not favor Ukraine.



Welcome schmelcome. I am as entitled to my opinion as you are to yours. If you don't like my posts, don't read them. Or block them so you don't even see them and won't be tempted to read them. But that doesn't change the facts on the ground. Or my opinion based upon those facts.

MstrAv8r

A fairy tale conflict that occured 2500 years ago truly doesn't relate to what is going on in Ukraine. The Charge of the Light Brigade was pretty badass story of bravery while facing certain defeat against overwhelming odds too, but I don't see how it relates either.

Something tells me you have never fought in a war. If I'm misguided, I'll stand correceted. Those of us who have spent time "outside the wire" tend to understand the horrors of war. Have you ever read or watched either the old, or new rendetion of "All Quiet On The Western Front"? Contrary to what the TV tells you, there is nothing glorious about armed conflict. I've collected the dead, dying, and wounded from the field of battle, often times under intense enemy fire (valor medals to prove it). It is not a pleasant experience, and kind of puts things into perspective. My point being: Witnessing sensless death and suffering is the most depressing thing that I have ever experienced. By throwing money that the U.S. DOES NOT HAVE at a losing conflict, we are enabling more death and destruction and RAMPANT CORRUPTION. Do you get it? This is an unwinnable conflict. Peace should be sued for immediately. By many accounts, the dead and wounded toll is quickly reaching 1,000,000. That is not a small number. Surrender the Donbass and Crimea to Russia and sign a cease fire immediately. For the record, I believe that Putin is a horrible human being; However, You'd be a fool not to realize that he is extremely intelligent, analytical, and pragmatic. Ukraine will not win this war. Men and women are dying for nothing. The top Ukraine general was recently relieved of command for no longer wanting to send his soldiers to CERTAIN DEATH. That should tell you something.

TransWorld

Report 400,000 Russians have been killed in 2 years. To put it in perspective, 53,000 US soldiers were killed in Vietnam over 8 years.

Excargodog

Their "Storm Z" units remind me of the Mariel boatlift where Castro loaded up boats with "humanitarian" refugees from his prisons, jails, mental institutions, known dissidents, and general troublemakers. He actually off loaded people that were a drag on his economy and got us to support them for years.

https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/castro-announces-mariel-boatlift

So raw number of deaths is not actually that good a statistic. Putin is the same sort of cold hearted bastard that was portrayed in the movie Braveheart when Longshanks wanted his general to send in the Irish rather than using his archers because arrows cost money. Human wave charges just to use up the other guy's ammo have been a feature of a number of wars. A lot of WWI was some idiot blowing a whistle and everyone in the trench going "over the top" with a bolt action Enfield and a fixed bayonet in little more than an effort to run the Maxim machine guns out of ammo. Read up on Gallipoli.

https://anzacportal.dva.gov.au/wars-...ipoli/timeline

MstrAv8r

i was about to comment that Gallipoli is a more righteous comparison. Churchill was fired from the Admiralty over the meat grinder at Gallipoli. The Russian tactics at Avdiivka were akin to a siege. As a student of warfare, it was interesting to see the situation develop. I admire the Russian leadership’s tactical patience. The Ukrainian “retreat” (more like running for their lives) wasn’t a tactical retrograde, but it may have conserved enough combat power for them to fight another day by sheer luck. By all accounts, it is a quagmire with an advantage to Russia.

Hubcapped

Lolz, this troll was in the air force and never even flew a fighter to boot. Talk about hubris.
absolute clown

not only was this dude not in the front seat of an acc aircraft, but he lacks integrity to back up his claims, and now says he has “significant“ military experience and can pass judgement on a ground war……it would be hilarious if it wasn’t so pathetic

Hubcapped

the FACTs are (if you have actually been following the war everyday, and not getting your highlights from right wing ru infested media) is that ukraine was holding right until we stopped giving them what they needed. Our right wing weak minded old men have disgraced our nation, and we will feel the consequences on the geopolitical battlefield for decades to come. Absolutely disgusting behavior, and for the first time in my adult life im ashamed of our government.

signed, actual person who risked their life to defend our constitution

85th, 63rd, 36th, 421st
harrumph and sawadee

MstrAv8r

You flew fighters. Unless you flew in Vietnam, you didn’t risk much except ejecting or crashing. We are absolutely not obliged to give Ukraine a dime. Thank God we’ve got folks in Washington taking a stand against delaying the inevitable Ukrainian defeat in the interest of padding defense stock portfolios.


If we’re comparing combat chops:
2ID, 101ID, 82D, 4ID

ReluctantEskimo

You love to virtual signal about the horrors of war. Well, how about the horrors of occupation? For decades?

The sacrifices on the front lines happening in eastern Ukraine are allowing the rest of the country to live in the free air. That all changes when the tanks roll into Kyiv and the walls go back up.

We've already seen how the Russians operate as occupiers.