Ukraine conflict
02-20-2024, 09:49 AM
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This is a disingenuous position. No thinking person has ever believed that Ukraine will get all occupied land back. At the very least, they will have to let Crimea go as anyone with a brain is quite aware that Russia intends to hold onto Sevastopol at virtually any cost. The question has always been how much of Eastern Ukraine can Kiev take back before Russian losses become high enough for them to come to the table with favorable terms? That strategy was working until we pulled the rug out. Now Putin has absolutely zero reason to negotiate anytime soon since, as you've correctly pointed out, the numerical advantage belongs to them. But make no mistake; the support we were providing was successfully keeping that advantage at bay. Your argument is only valid as long as we stonewall Kiev. See the irony there? Unfortunately for the Ukrainian people (and indeed, any nation that would look to the free world to support their reform), the Russian Special Information Operation starring Tucker Carlson has been more effective than they could've imagined & a certain segment of the American body politic is very precisely doing the Russians' bidding by holding up further aid for Ukraine. Disgusting.
Secretary of State Antony J. Blinken spoke with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy by phone from Washington, D.C. Secretary Blinken reiterated the United States’ unwavering support for Ukraine’s sovereignty, independence, and territorial integrity in the face of Russian aggression, ahead of President Biden’s discussion with President Putin. The two agreed on the need for a peaceful, diplomatic resolution to the conflict in the Donbas and the full restoration of Ukrainian sovereignty over its internationally recognized borders, including Crimea.
The United States condemns Russia’s fraudulent attempt today to annex sovereign Ukrainian territory. Russia is violating international law, trampling on the United Nations Charter, and showing its contempt for peaceful nations everywhere.
Make no mistake: these actions have no legitimacy. The United States will always honor Ukraine’s internationally recognized borders. We will continue to support Ukraine’s efforts to regain control of its territory by strengthening its hand militarily and diplomatically, including through the $1.1 billion in additional security assistance the United States announced this week.
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I urge all members of the international community to reject Russia’s illegal attempts at annexation and to stand with the people of Ukraine for as long as it takes.
Make no mistake: these actions have no legitimacy. The United States will always honor Ukraine’s internationally recognized borders. We will continue to support Ukraine’s efforts to regain control of its territory by strengthening its hand militarily and diplomatically, including through the $1.1 billion in additional security assistance the United States announced this week.
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I urge all members of the international community to reject Russia’s illegal attempts at annexation and to stand with the people of Ukraine for as long as it takes.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2022/09/30/statement-from-president-biden-on-russias-attempts-to-annex-ukrainian-territory/
And just as a side note, hoping to win those on the other side of an issue over by denigrating them seems a losing proposition. My personal belief is that if she had merely passed up the chance to take a cheap shot before her supporters with that "deplorables" comment, we would very likely be in the second term of a Hillary Clinton presidency.
02-21-2024, 04:53 AM
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Still feckless after. All these years…
An excerpt:
With rising worries about a second Trump presidency, the ECFR reports that 41 percent of Europeans want an increase or maintenance of current support for Ukraine — but just a fifth want Europe to compensate for a U.S. withdrawal in support.
A third of respondents — with voters asked in Austria, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Italy, Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Spain and Sweden — want the EU to limit its support.
While the survey paints a bleak picture, a majority of those asked are still in favor of continuing to support Ukraine.
On average, just 19.5 percent of those surveyed believe Russia will win. However, in Hungary (64 percent), Greece (59 percent) and Italy (52 percent), majorities want allies to push Kyiv to accept a settlement deal — something Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has refused to consider.
A third of respondents — with voters asked in Austria, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Italy, Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Spain and Sweden — want the EU to limit its support.
While the survey paints a bleak picture, a majority of those asked are still in favor of continuing to support Ukraine.
On average, just 19.5 percent of those surveyed believe Russia will win. However, in Hungary (64 percent), Greece (59 percent) and Italy (52 percent), majorities want allies to push Kyiv to accept a settlement deal — something Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has refused to consider.
02-21-2024, 04:00 PM
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02-21-2024, 04:01 PM
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315,000 Russian Casualities
https://www.voanews.com/a/us-officia...s/7491475.html
Imagine what Ukraine could do if they were adequately supplied?
Imagine what Ukraine could do if they were adequately supplied?
02-21-2024, 04:56 PM
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https://www.voanews.com/a/us-official-russia-suffers-staggering-losses-despite-ukraine-s-supply-shortages/7491475.html
Imagine what Ukraine could do if they were adequately supplied?
Imagine what Ukraine could do if they were adequately supplied?
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02-21-2024, 05:04 PM
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https://www.voanews.com/a/us-official-russia-suffers-staggering-losses-despite-ukraine-s-supply-shortages/7491475.html
Imagine what Ukraine could do if they were adequately supplied?
Imagine what Ukraine could do if they were adequately supplied?
02-21-2024, 05:13 PM
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Thermopylae. Never underestimate the power of Home Court.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Thermopylae
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Thermopylae
02-21-2024, 05:36 PM
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Thermopylae. Never underestimate the power of Home Court.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Thermopylae
https://i.imgur.com/1TUCTaX.png
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Thermopylae
https://i.imgur.com/1TUCTaX.png
Yet 298 of the 300 died.
One might assume, given the widespread recognition afforded the battle and the sacrifice of the Spartan King Leonidas and his brothers-in-arms, that Thermopylae had a major military impact on the outcome of the war. But this was not the case.
In the event, Thermopylae was an exercise in futility, for in the following months Xerxes went on to subdue much of Greece, even burning Athens. It would be a full year before an allied Greek force was able to defeat the Persians and expel them from the Greek homeland.
In the event, Thermopylae was an exercise in futility, for in the following months Xerxes went on to subdue much of Greece, even burning Athens. It would be a full year before an allied Greek force was able to defeat the Persians and expel them from the Greek homeland.
02-21-2024, 05:36 PM
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Thermopylae. Never underestimate the power of Home Court.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Thermopylae
https://i.imgur.com/1TUCTaX.png
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Thermopylae
https://i.imgur.com/1TUCTaX.png
02-21-2024, 05:57 PM
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