Ukraine conflict
02-17-2024, 08:54 PM
#2262
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You've gone from virtual signaling to red herrings.
The conflict is Ukraine. The subject is the Russian army with aspirations westward. Let's stick to the matter at hand.
I just want to comment on your non-response. Lots of emotion and zero counter about the actual threat. I can pull an Excargodog and show you the quotes from Putin that says he wants Poland. I can show you a lifetime of interviews that illustrate his desires to reassemble the Eastern Bloc.
You can pretend that it isn't relevant. But you're a vatnik sympathizer. I don't have high expectations for you.
The conflict is Ukraine. The subject is the Russian army with aspirations westward. Let's stick to the matter at hand.
I just want to comment on your non-response. Lots of emotion and zero counter about the actual threat. I can pull an Excargodog and show you the quotes from Putin that says he wants Poland. I can show you a lifetime of interviews that illustrate his desires to reassemble the Eastern Bloc.
You can pretend that it isn't relevant. But you're a vatnik sympathizer. I don't have high expectations for you.
The Red Army with aspirations westward? They can't even steamroll Ukraine. Putin wants Poland? So what? He has negligible chance of g3tting it when he can't even take more than 18% of Ukraine in ten years. He's an old f@rt, at this rate he won't live long enough to do anything but dream about it.
But again, where do YOU draw the line? Because sanctions aren't working and the Ukrainian military is being eroded away. So what'll it be?
US boots on the ground?
Tactical nukes?
Strategic nukes?
Because the Ukrainians are in worse shape now than they were a year ago with no clear pathway to their goal of recovering all their land.
02-17-2024, 08:56 PM
#2263
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Explain to me in logistics and manpower how Ukraine wins this? Explain to me in logistics and manpower how the Russians take Poland.
02-17-2024, 08:57 PM
#2264
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Ah retreating to the ad hominem attack. The sure indication of someone losing an argument.
The Red Army with aspirations westward? They can't even steamroll Ukraine. Putin wants Poland? So what? He has negligible chance of g3tting it when he can't even take more than 18% of Ukraine in ten years. He's an old f@rt, at this rate he won't live long enough to do anything but dream about it.
But again, where do YOU draw the line? Because sanctions aren't working and the Ukrainian military is being eroded away. So what'll it be?
US boots on the ground?
Tactical nukes?
Strategic nukes?
Because the Ukrainians are in worse shape now than they were a year ago with no clear pathway to their goal of recovering all their land.
The Red Army with aspirations westward? They can't even steamroll Ukraine. Putin wants Poland? So what? He has negligible chance of g3tting it when he can't even take more than 18% of Ukraine in ten years. He's an old f@rt, at this rate he won't live long enough to do anything but dream about it.
But again, where do YOU draw the line? Because sanctions aren't working and the Ukrainian military is being eroded away. So what'll it be?
US boots on the ground?
Tactical nukes?
Strategic nukes?
Because the Ukrainians are in worse shape now than they were a year ago with no clear pathway to their goal of recovering all their land.
But I'll be a gentlemen and answer yours. None of those ridiculous options are appropriate. But in contrast, how about $60 billion in aid and equipment? Let this war of attrition continue. The Ukrainians are defending their homeland and Russia is in "worse shape" now as well.
Now your turn. How does standing down lead to peace? Unless you let the Russians roll to Normandy, there will bloodshed somewhere along the way.
02-17-2024, 09:02 PM
#2265
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You still haven't said one word about how this gets better when we withdraw funding and aid.
Ukraine folds, and then what? Everyone goes home? Again. Consequences seem to escape you. There is nothing that says the bloodshed stops if the United States goes home. In fact, the bloodshed is bound to get far, far worse.
Ukraine folds, and then what? Everyone goes home? Again. Consequences seem to escape you. There is nothing that says the bloodshed stops if the United States goes home. In fact, the bloodshed is bound to get far, far worse.
02-17-2024, 09:04 PM
#2266
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02-17-2024, 09:06 PM
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How in God's name do you not see that would be a green light for Putin to roll to the Atlantic?
02-17-2024, 09:07 PM
#2268
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yeah, money, mostly loans and mostly obsolete military equipment. That won't make Ukraine win. A half century of our NATO allies underfunding their MILITARY lead to this. It won't be stopped by paying to support seven million Ukrainian refugees in Western Europe.
How does Ukraine get all its land back? The Spring offensive was a bust. No indication the next attempt will be any better.
02-17-2024, 09:09 PM
#2269
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Negotiations require capital. And you have no leverage if you've signaled you've walked away.
02-17-2024, 09:11 PM
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Participating...
yeah, money, mostly loans and mostly obsolete military equipment. That won't make Ukraine win. A half century of our NATO allies underfunding their MILITARY lead to this. It won't be stopped by paying to support seven million Ukrainian refugees in Western Europe.
How does Ukraine get all its land back? The Spring offensive was a bust. No indication the next attempt will be any better.
yeah, money, mostly loans and mostly obsolete military equipment. That won't make Ukraine win. A half century of our NATO allies underfunding their MILITARY lead to this. It won't be stopped by paying to support seven million Ukrainian refugees in Western Europe.
How does Ukraine get all its land back? The Spring offensive was a bust. No indication the next attempt will be any better.
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