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Old 02-11-2024, 06:40 AM
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A challenge for the new chief

What to do about Avdiivka is arguably the most pressing challenge facing Ukraine’s new army chief, Oleksandr Syrskyi, appointed Thursday to give the war a new focus.

As Commander of Land Forces, Syrskyi was seen as the key driver behind Ukraine’s decision to defend Bakhmut to the last, rather than execute an earlier withdrawal, as the US and other allies had reportedly been urging. The decision to keep fighting in the face of overwhelming Russian firepower earned him a reputation as a man willing to take high losses among his soldiers.

In his first statement since being appointed Commander-in-Chief, he appeared, at least in part, to acknowledge a need to address that, saying, “The lives and health of servicemen have always been and remain the main value of the Ukrainian army. Therefore, maintaining a balance between combat missions and the restoration of units and subunits with intensified education and training of personnel remains as relevant as ever.”

However, Syrskyi is under pressure from Ukraine’s political leadership to come up with a new plan that avoids “stagnation” on the battlefield, while at the same time not pushing for too many new conscripts, as a new mobilization bill makes its way through parliament.

His predecessor, Valerii Zaluzhnyi, was dismissed in part for describing the war as being in a “stalemate” situation after the much-anticipated counteroffensive last year failed to deliver gains of any note.

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RELATED ARTICLEZelensky fires Ukraine’s military chief in major shakeup nearly two years into war

President Volodymyr Zelensky was also irritated by Zaluzhnyi’s suggestions he needed a huge mobilization drive to turn things around. Though the army chief has said he did not put a number on it, he became associated with an idea that half a million new soldiers were needed.

Regardless of how many draftees Syrskyi ends up requesting, evidence from multiple frontline locations continues to suggest Russia’s superior troop numbers are making a difference.

East of Kupiansk and the Oskil river, along the northernmost stretch of the battle, an army spokesman told Ukrainian television on Saturday that Russian forces were pressing.

“The enemy continues to move its reserves to replace those previously lost … The enemy is deploying Storm Z units [soldiers recruited from prison] and motorized infantry units, supported by artillery and drones. They are trying to move forward,” the spokesman said.

Altogether, Russia had 42,000 men stationed in the area – though not all at the frontline – along with 500 tanks and infantry fighting vehicles, he added.

Also under heavy pressure is Chasiv Yar, a town about 15 kilometers west of Bakhmut. Again, a local Ukrainian commander reported Russians attacking with “a huge force of personnel.”

The army spokesmen also said the other big Ukrainian shortcoming at present – low ammunition stocks – was being keenly felt.

Russia’s forces attacking Chasiv Yar from the flanks enjoyed a “several-fold advantage in the number of shellings. We need more shells, thousands and thousands of shells, especially 155mm ones,” he told national television
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Old 02-11-2024, 06:43 AM
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Why do the mods let HUb insult whoever he wants, but block honest comments?
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oftentimes leaving an insulting posting up does far more to destroy the credibility of that poster than taking it down would.



I think the reason is because R7 is a big libtard America hater.
uhhh..., see above comment.
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Old 02-11-2024, 05:56 PM
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oftentimes leaving an insulting posting up does far more to destroy the credibility of that poster than taking it down would.




uhhh..., see above comment.
i dont know whats more sad, you desperately posting articles in your feverish attempt to not look the fool from your past behavior here…..

or you desperately posting articles and not having the SA to figure out that the only one who responded is the right wing nutjob that is so ridiculously childish in perception, they attribute everything to some political group

i guess you can take your pick.

got any quotes yet my little victim? Oh man i love living rent free in your head…..
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Old 02-11-2024, 07:11 PM
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i dont know whats more sad, you desperately posting articles in your feverish attempt to not look the fool from your past behavior here…..

or you desperately posting articles and not having the SA to figure out that the only one who responded is the right wing nutjob that is so ridiculously childish in perception, they attribute everything to some political group

i guess you can take your pick.

got any quotes yet my little victim? Oh man i love living rent free in your head…..
Hub, please describe the requirements for being a right wing nut job. I only post in opposition to you because you oppose any other thoughts that you don’t agree with. So I’d have to say your a hypocrite. And with that being said you don’t seem to offer any constructive advice about how the world should respond to the Ukraine situation. Russia needs to be checked obviously. But the expectation that the United States is the only option is ridiculous given that all of Europe is on the front line, and has neglected their duties. Maybe Ukraine should have had less raves in Odessa and concentrated on building a real defense. Which I would have fully supported as a tax payer here in the US.
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Old 02-11-2024, 08:29 PM
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Hub, please describe the requirements for being a right wing nut job. I only post in opposition to you because you oppose any other thoughts that you don’t agree with. So I’d have to say your a hypocrite. And with that being said you don’t seem to offer any constructive advice about how the world should respond to the Ukraine situation. Russia needs to be checked obviously. But the expectation that the United States is the only option is ridiculous given that all of Europe is on the front line, and has neglected their duties. Maybe Ukraine should have had less raves in Odessa and concentrated on building a real defense. Which I would have fully supported as a tax payer here in the US.
Just because the talking heads & instagram politicians you choose to listen to like to stir the pot by inferring we're writing blank checks & bankrupting the union, that doesn't mean it's true:

https://www.statista.com/chart/28489...rian%20support.

https://www.ifw-kiel.de/topics/war-a...pport-tracker/

https://thehill.com/opinion/national-security/4275649-where-does-ukraine-aid-come-from
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Lots of info out there if you care to look.

Long story short: US military aid consists of largely discarded and/or obsolete (to us) equipment & the Euros have surpassed the US in total aid.


But keep believing & re-posting Putin's propaganda. He most definitely appreciates it & I'm sure you'll be rewarded handsomely. What was that you were saying about America haters?
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Old 02-11-2024, 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Lowslung
Just because the talking heads & instagram politicians you choose to listen to like to stir the pot by inferring we're writing blank checks & bankrupting the union, that doesn't mean it's true:

https://www.statista.com/chart/28489...rian%20support.

https://www.ifw-kiel.de/topics/war-a...pport-tracker/

https://thehill.com/opinion/national-security/4275649-where-does-ukraine-aid-come-from
/

Lots of info out there if you care to look.

Long story short: US military aid consists of largely discarded and/or obsolete (to us) equipment & the Euros have surpassed the US in total aid.


But keep believing & re-posting Putin's propaganda. He most definitely appreciates it & I'm sure you'll be rewarded handsomely. What was that you were saying about America haters?
The America comment was a blatant attempt to check censorship. As far as propaganda, it goes both ways. I’m not a Putin worshiper. I just don’t like the lies and corruption of many governments.
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Old 02-12-2024, 02:13 AM
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Hub, please describe the requirements for being a right wing nut job. I only post in opposition to you because you oppose any other thoughts that you don’t agree with. So I’d have to say your a hypocrite. And with that being said you don’t seem to offer any constructive advice about how the world should respond to the Ukraine situation. Russia needs to be checked obviously. But the expectation that the United States is the only option is ridiculous given that all of Europe is on the front line, and has neglected their duties. Maybe Ukraine should have had less raves in Odessa and concentrated on building a real defense. Which I would have fully supported as a tax payer here in the US.
anyone that infers that someone who supports ukraine is a “mask wearing” libtard or other such partisan childishness is a “nutjob” for their particular political affiliation. Its not the right wing part that should worry you, as that was just deduced by context, its the fact you are so consumed by your politics that you immediately spring to accusations of being on the “other” side. Look at your attack on rick, you can disagree with his utilization of power, but to immediately call him left wing, as if you could possibly deduce that, or that it would be an insult if he was, just shows how enslaved you are by your propaganda overlords.

there are many reasons to support ukraine as explained here already. These reasons have no political affiliation. But reside in foreign policy. There is almost no downside to providing aid in its current construct, but hey, i guess we need to keep the border crisis going for votes rather than keep Russia in its box. Its so pathetic it kind of just makes me ashamed to be an American for the time being. We are watching our geopolitical influence go down the toilet with this bafoonery.

Youre a nutjob because you see your “enemy” at every turn. Normal humans straddle the middle ground. Both sides have good points.
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Old 02-12-2024, 07:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Lowslung
Just because the talking heads & instagram politicians you choose to listen to like to stir the pot by inferring we're writing blank checks & bankrupting the union, that doesn't mean it's true:

https://www.statista.com/chart/28489...rian%20support.

https://www.ifw-kiel.de/topics/war-a...pport-tracker/

https://thehill.com/opinion/national-security/4275649-where-does-ukraine-aid-come-from
/

Lots of info out there if you care to look.

Long story short: US military aid consists of largely discarded and/or obsolete (to us) equipment & the Euros have surpassed the US in total aid.


But keep believing & re-posting Putin's propaganda. He most definitely appreciates it & I'm sure you'll be rewarded handsomely. What was that you were saying about America haters?
indeed, LOTS of info out there. Look at how much of the EU "aid" to Ukraine is in LOANS rather than actual aid. Look how much of the European military "aid" was even more obsolete junk, like Leopard 1s and 2s that hadn't been maintained for the last 30 years. Ask an Army buddy what use a "hangar queen" tank that has not been fired up in 30 years will be an how long it would take to get it functional if the required parts were even still being made. Look at countries like Estonia who used this as an excuse to dump all their old Soviet Era cr@p and then charge the rest of the EU the replacement value for modern equipment. Look at countries like France whose military contributions are pathetic.

and look at the past six US administrations who have ALL chided the Europeans for underfunding their NATO commitment. You don't have to be anti-American to know that the bulk of the Europeans and particularly the most populous and prosperous economies have been short changing on their defense commitments for 30-50 years.

ALPA wouldn't put up with free riders on dues payments. Why should NATO?
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Old 02-12-2024, 08:35 AM
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...why should we?

Russia no longer perceived as top threat by Germans

Report ahead of Munich Security Conference shows waning concern about the danger posed by Moscow across G7 countries.
https://www.politico.eu/article/russ...ine-war-fades/

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FEBRUARY 12, 2024 10:00 AM CET
BY SUZANNE LYNCHRussia is showing no signs it plans to wind down its unprovoked assault on Ukraine two years after launching a full-scale invasion — but Germans now view issues like migration and the threat from radical Islam as more immediate concerns than the menace in the Kremlin.

That’s according to new research published Monday ahead of the Munich Security Conference, a gathering of top political and defense officials which kicks off in Germany on Friday.

While Russia was perceived as the number one threat in Germany in last year’s Munich Security Index, it has now slipped back to seventh place in the annual report.

The pattern is replicated across the G7 group of countries — the threat posed by Russia was cited as the top concern in surveys conducted in late 2022 for the 2023 Munich Security Index, but has dropped to fourth overall a year later.

The findings come at a crucial moment in the war, as Ukraine seeks to shore up European support as the United States’ commitment to the war effort falters due to continuing Republican opposition in the U.S. Congress.

The European Union agreed a €50 billion aid package for Kyiv earlier this month, but there's already evidence it’s insufficient as Ukraine’s financial needs grow by the day.

The survey’s conclusion that the German public is less concerned by the Russian threat than it once was is a sign of the shifting priorities in Europe as the intractable war enters its third year.

While Ukraine has inflicted significant damage on the Russian army since the war began, its 2023 counteroffensive made slow progress. In a bid to reset his country’s military strategy, President Volodymyr Zelenskyy replaced his top general Valery Zaluzhny last week with Oleksandr Syrskyi, and embarked on a wider leadership reshuffle.

The war in Ukraine is expected to dominate this year’s Munich Security Conference. Though it has not been confirmed, Zelenskyy himself is widely expected to make an appearance — two years after he flew to Munich to make a desperate plea for international help at the conference just days before Russia's full-scale invasion began.



​​​​​​​ The Munich Security Index 2024 also reveals how the war in Ukraine is competing with other geopolitical threats and priorities.

Concern about mass migration and radical Islamic terrorism now top the list of threats in Germany — a turnaround from the previous year.

The threat posed by radical Islamic terrorism jumped to second place, compared to 16th last year. Mass migration as a result of war or climate change, which came in second last year, now ranks sits at number one. The authors of the report attribute the trends to the Hamas attacks on Israel on October 7, noting the survey was undertaken in October and November last year.

“As in many other countries, the Hamas terrorist attack on October 7 appears to have prompted a spike in German concern about radical Islamic terrorism,” the report notes, adding that “Germany now has the highest level of concern about migration among the countries surveyed.”

The survey, which interviewed 12,000 people last fall, also provides a bleak insight into the thinking of many of the world’s wealthiest countries. Large parts of the populations in G7 nations believe their countries will be less secure and wealthy in 10 years’ time, the report states. But the prospects for the so-called BRICS — Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa — are judged more positively by their populations.

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indeed, LOTS of info out there. Look at how much of the EU "aid" to Ukraine is in LOANS rather than actual aid. Look how much of the European military "aid" was even more obsolete junk, like Leopard 1s and 2s that hadn't been maintained for the last 30 years. Ask an Army buddy what use a "hangar queen" tank that has not been fired up in 30 years will be an how long it would take to get it functional if the required parts were even still being made. Look at countries like Estonia who used this as an excuse to dump all their old Soviet Era cr@p and then charge the rest of the EU the replacement value for modern equipment. Look at countries like France whose military contributions are pathetic.

and look at the past six US administrations who have ALL chided the Europeans for underfunding their NATO commitment. You don't have to be anti-American to know that the bulk of the Europeans and particularly the most populous and prosperous economies have been short changing on their defense commitments for 30-50 years.

ALPA wouldn't put up with free riders on dues payments. Why should NATO?
I'm all for continuing to push the Euros to pay their fair share. What I'm not for is aiding and abetting dictatorships that are the enemies of free societies everywhere. We have a presidential candidate openly signaling that he will encourage our enemies to attack our allies if they don't act in the ways he sees fit. That is traitorous. Full stop. We have "journalists" fawning over said dictators & granting them "interviews" in which they are allowed to wax on for hours about their virtues while never having to answer a question about invading a neighbor, raping its wives & literally stealing its children. Also traitorous. And we have guys like T1000, only too happy to unquestionably ingest all of it & then gleefully spread the resulting diarrhea all over forums like this one. Just a few years ago, developments like these would've been unthinkable. Despite our flaws, there was broad agreement that the free world was better than the one run by dictators & tyrants. Now we have a not insignificant chunk of people who honestly believe that WE are the tyrants (or at least everyone from the "wrong" party is). Some of us are happily handing the win to the dark forces of this world while actively undermining their own people & values. That's shameful. Don't be that guy.
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