rickair7777

Worse than the USSR, a russian empire which doesn't even bother to pretend to share power with vassal states or have the best interests of the people of the world in mind.

If the west did not intervene in UR, Vlad would have rolled them up, probably by the end of 2022, and in the process learned vital lessons about his military's capabilities and condition. He might very well have applied those lessons, improved and then a few years later moved on to the next former soviet state. Where would it stop? With Vlad's successor? Who knows who that will be, and there are plenty of hard-liners waiting in the wings.

Bottom line, I believe that in the current world order it's worth preventing any adjustments of established borders by force. That alone saves a lot of crisis, misery, and disruption. If you allow a little bit of that, you send the message to ambitious autocrats everywhere that it's OK to try their luck. If borders really *need* to be adjusted, that can be done via diplomacy.

As I said before, I think the biggest benefit of our (the west's) involvement in UR is actually deterring the PRC.

Hubcapped

That’s a valid point. The USSR at least had politburo to keep each other in check.

METO Guido

Start with trying to understand where things essential for survival come from. Took my 1st breath at Walter Reed. House page in the 95th Congress. Speak a foreign language adequately. Well experienced in 2nd/3rd world environments. Places where people without hope increasingly believe migration here is their best chance. It is.

Hubcapped

Sounds good brother. I was not attacking you, I just literally can’t understand what you are saying sometimes.

For example
1st sentence: what do you mean by “understand where thing’s essential for survival come from”. What do you mean by this and what are you referring to that sparked this comment?
2nd and 3rd : mean you were born in the US
4th you’ve been places and seen some sh1t
5th why bring up immigration? Who disputed this comment? And to what are you refer to?
If English is your 1st language it is a lot of word salad.

Again this is not an attack, I want to hear your opinion on things…..it’s just hard to understand for me

METO Guido

Made my position clear on both threads we've argued this topic. Ongoing, open-ended US engagement, proxy or otherwise, within occupied Russian battlegrounds of densely populated civilian habitat is neither in the best interest of Ukraine's earliest recovery or aligning what remains of American influence going forward. i.e. prior the next f'ing crisis.

Excargodog

I never once said Europe COULDN’T do it. Of course they COULD do it. The EU has a GDP ten times that of Russia, they just see no need to spend it on their own defense when Uncle Sugar can be suckered into carrying the water for them. I’m just sick and tired of bailing out cheapskates unwilling to meet their decades old commitments.


I have no more responsibility for what happens to the people of Moldova than I do for the people subject to wars in Africa:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-60603232
And arguably less than the responsibility I have for people subject to tyranny and lawlessness in our own hemisphere - like Haiti.

https://www.npr.org/2023/01/18/11495...litical-crisis

For that matter, we sit here with wide open borders while fentanyl pours over from Mexican gangs. We lost over 100,000 DEAD last year to overdoses - mostly fentanyl - the equivalent of a Pearl Harbor or a 9/11 EVERY TEN DAYS. I’d personally rather stop THAT from happening than give a cr@p about Moldavia.


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Fortunately I don’t respect you enough to have that hurt my feelings.

See above comment.

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Excargodog

And demonstrating to the Europeans - once again - that they don’t have to pay for their own defense? Despite having a GDP ten times that of Russia and with the UK and France both nuclear powers in their own right.

You realize we are still in Kosovo? After 22 years?

https://www.army.mil/article/256104/...ions_in_kosovo

Somalia?

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/u...0-percent-2022

Kenya, Djibouti, Niger? And a bevy of other countries?

https://www.grid.news/story/global/2...-they-and-why/

and actually fighting..not just training the locals, in many of them?

When is enough enough?

Hubcapped

In the best interest of Ukraine? Should Ukraine give up their land?

METO Guido

Better a finger than the hand. Holding the line will at least honor those fallen with a tangible victory. In addition to a footnote of war & peace history’s logbook will soon replace with another.

Hubcapped

The people that live there don’t see it that way