Ukraine conflict
01-05-2024, 06:40 PM
#1971
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What controlling say in European stability? For the first 45+ years half of Europe functionally belonged to the USSR. The Warsaw Pact was scarcely us controlling European stability. Perhaps your history lessons missed the Hungarian Revolution of 1956, the 1968 invasion of Czechoslovakia. And almost immediately after the fall of the USSR you had the genocide in Yugoslavia:
First the ten day war in Slovenia in 1991, next Croatia from 1991-1995, Bosnia-Herzegovina from 1992-1995,Kosovo from 1998-1999, and Macedonia in 1991. Best estimate of the dead is probably about 100,000 mostly civilians. Institutionalized rape for the purpose of ethnic cleansing was commonplace:
https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/sexual-violence-invisible-weapon-war-former-yugoslavia
https://www.trtworld.com/perspectives/genocidal-rape-and-the-invisible-children-of-bosnia-48312
As for Pakistan and India, if you believe we have any serious control over either you are badly mistaken. They have deep seated cultural and religious differences which we fortunately don't get much involved with. Besides, your data on Pakistan is severely out of date. Yes, when we were trying to buy their influence in helping with the war against the Taliban we bribed them with billions. That was severely curtailed six or seven years ago. The administration's total aid package for Pakistan requested for FY 2024 is $173 million.
https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R47565
India, at $117 million got even less. You need to get your facts straight - or at least up to date.
So, no, us playing world policeman hasn't stopped there from being conflict in the world or even just in Europe. Nor is there any proof that we were actually a stabilizing influence - even in Europe where we were heavily involved. Clearly we spent a lot of money there which they no doubt appreciated, but other than tourism they really aren't all that important to us. We trade more with Canada, Mexico, China, and Japan than we do with ANY European country. He//, we do more trade with former enemy Vietnam than we do with the overwhelming majority of EU countries.
https://ustr.gov/countries-regions#:...6.2%20billion).
And it's entirely possible that we are actually destabilizing Europe. Our largesse is very much the reason that they don't feel compelled to finance their own defense.
So no, in this case I believe it is you who is proffering the simple answers. If we coukd have saved the world from conflict - and we certainly haven't by throwing our money or our military at it, I would think a national debt of $34 TRILLION and a defense budget equal to 38% of the world's total defense spending Woukd have done it.
It hasn't.
First the ten day war in Slovenia in 1991, next Croatia from 1991-1995, Bosnia-Herzegovina from 1992-1995,Kosovo from 1998-1999, and Macedonia in 1991. Best estimate of the dead is probably about 100,000 mostly civilians. Institutionalized rape for the purpose of ethnic cleansing was commonplace:
https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/sexual-violence-invisible-weapon-war-former-yugoslavia
https://www.trtworld.com/perspectives/genocidal-rape-and-the-invisible-children-of-bosnia-48312
As for Pakistan and India, if you believe we have any serious control over either you are badly mistaken. They have deep seated cultural and religious differences which we fortunately don't get much involved with. Besides, your data on Pakistan is severely out of date. Yes, when we were trying to buy their influence in helping with the war against the Taliban we bribed them with billions. That was severely curtailed six or seven years ago. The administration's total aid package for Pakistan requested for FY 2024 is $173 million.
https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R47565
India, at $117 million got even less. You need to get your facts straight - or at least up to date.
So, no, us playing world policeman hasn't stopped there from being conflict in the world or even just in Europe. Nor is there any proof that we were actually a stabilizing influence - even in Europe where we were heavily involved. Clearly we spent a lot of money there which they no doubt appreciated, but other than tourism they really aren't all that important to us. We trade more with Canada, Mexico, China, and Japan than we do with ANY European country. He//, we do more trade with former enemy Vietnam than we do with the overwhelming majority of EU countries.
https://ustr.gov/countries-regions#:...6.2%20billion).
And it's entirely possible that we are actually destabilizing Europe. Our largesse is very much the reason that they don't feel compelled to finance their own defense.
So no, in this case I believe it is you who is proffering the simple answers. If we coukd have saved the world from conflict - and we certainly haven't by throwing our money or our military at it, I would think a national debt of $34 TRILLION and a defense budget equal to 38% of the world's total defense spending Woukd have done it.
It hasn't.
what would have happened if the US went isolationist like your little right wing fear monger agenda wants right after ww2?
russia would be defending sword juno and dog, not conscripts
nice flop on nato being a threat…..that was juicy
01-05-2024, 06:44 PM
#1972
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The Commerce Clause refers to Article 1, Section 8, Clause 3 of the U.S. Constitution, which gives Congress the power “to regulate commerce with foreign nations, among states, and with the Indian tribes.”
01-05-2024, 08:14 PM
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For those too simplistic to get funding death on distant lands for man’s salvation ..We the people was never Ukraine or any number of perennial killing fields planted with hate by reason of Devine retribution. Sell that line to illiterates. Just don’t call it justice.
01-05-2024, 09:38 PM
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I know of only one country with a long history of isolationism and that's Iceland. It's been a parliamentary democracy since 930. Nice place but the native cuisine is pretty terrible, worse even than the U.K.
01-06-2024, 03:44 PM
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Welcome btw.
01-08-2024, 03:30 PM
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As civilian targets become a tactic standard, no telling who does what next. Even trite, duplicitous, self-serving US rhetoric only stretches so far. I’ll be surprised if it any of it stops without the Persians earning a martyr sacrifice or two along the way. Watching these things puts tomorrow’s forecast out into the unknown. Way out & dark.
Welcome btw.
Welcome btw.
01-08-2024, 07:30 PM
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“It’s China town Jake.” Targeting civvies is in again for high rollers. Or haven’t you noticed?
Iran is a KGB facilitator/proxy. I think we’ve become woefully slow to adapt. Which can’t be an advantage no matter how it’s romanticized.
10+ good years drooling posts here. Bring on the bots. So where’s mikifar?
10+ good years drooling posts here. Bring on the bots. So where’s mikifar?
01-10-2024, 05:42 AM
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Feckless…still feckless
Still feckless after all these years...
https://www.thedefensepost.com/2024/...pand_article=1
Canada has yet to deliver NASAMS air defense systems to Ukraine a year after promising them to the war-ravaged nation, CBC News has reported.
https://www.thedefensepost.com/2024/...pand_article=1
A Year Later, Canada Yet to Send Promised Air Defense System to Ukraine: Report
JOE SABALLAJANUARY 10, 2024Canada has yet to deliver NASAMS air defense systems to Ukraine a year after promising them to the war-ravaged nation, CBC News has reported.
In January 2023, Ottawa announced that it would provide the European nation with a $406-million surface-to-air missile defense system for use against invading Russian forces.
The plan was to pay the US government for the system, then Washington would directly enter into a foreign military sales agreement with Kyiv to expedite the transfer.
However, a year after announcing the commitment, a company involved in building the NASAMS revealed that there is no contract yet for the initiative.
A spokesperson said the department is still working with US partners to determine the exact timeline.
Meanwhile, Kongsberg spokesperson Ivar Simensen disclosed that the acquisition authority is still processing the procurement of the Canadian donation.
But he could also not provide a timeline for the acquisition and production processes.
He said Moscow has been launching waves of devastating air attacks and that Ukraine needs sophisticated systems to fend them off.
Earlier this month, the Institute for the Study of War claimed that Russian ballistic missiles are rendering Ukraine’s air defenses ineffective.
Ukrainian air defenses could only reportedly intercept a “handful” of attackssince December 29 due to the faster trajectory of the enemy missiles.
The plan was to pay the US government for the system, then Washington would directly enter into a foreign military sales agreement with Kyiv to expedite the transfer.
However, a year after announcing the commitment, a company involved in building the NASAMS revealed that there is no contract yet for the initiative.
Unclear Timeline
According to the report, the Canadian defense department appears unaware of when the air defense systems will finally be delivered to Ukraine.A spokesperson said the department is still working with US partners to determine the exact timeline.
Meanwhile, Kongsberg spokesperson Ivar Simensen disclosed that the acquisition authority is still processing the procurement of the Canadian donation.
But he could also not provide a timeline for the acquisition and production processes.
Need for More Air Defense Systems
Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba has called on Western allies to expedite critical decisions to bolster the air defense capabilities of the war-torn nation.He said Moscow has been launching waves of devastating air attacks and that Ukraine needs sophisticated systems to fend them off.
Earlier this month, the Institute for the Study of War claimed that Russian ballistic missiles are rendering Ukraine’s air defenses ineffective.
Ukrainian air defenses could only reportedly intercept a “handful” of attackssince December 29 due to the faster trajectory of the enemy missiles.
01-11-2024, 07:21 AM
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Like it or not, PRC has become and will remain essential to western success or failure. Bring that business relationship into better alignment, domestic upheaval, conflict in other regions are lesser than more likely to get quickly out of hand.
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