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Old 10-05-2023, 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
And reading the thread at all is totally optional.
something to ponder.
I just hope you vent your spleen here, not in the cockpit. Otherwise you would be on lots of do not fly lists.
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Old 10-06-2023, 07:41 AM
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I just hope you vent your spleen here, not in the cockpit. Otherwise you would be on lots of do not fly lists.
I don’t vent my spleen here. For that matter many of the postings here don’t even represent my feelings but are rather how others look at thinks from their cultural or political perspectives. But those who come up with a simple mentality of Country A = good, and Country B = bad overlook a whole lot of things that have a bearing on actions and possible outcomes. Logistics is boring and politics frequently disgusting but anyone who doesn’t think those will affect the outcome of this is simply wrong. And hitching ourselves to feckless allies who are unwilling (not unable but unwilling) to provide their share of defense resources is sort of like hitching yourself to an anchor, however much it may allow you to tout that you are part of a coalition of morally superior people.

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Nor can we afford to be the world’s policeman, in my humble opinion. Now can you actually refute any of that, or would you prefer to just fantasize about how unpleasant it would be to fly with me?
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Your perception of how most people perceive you is inaccurate. I will just let it go at that.

You do not want to take the feedback. End of what I have to say about it.
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Old 10-06-2023, 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by TransWorld
Your perception of how most people perceive you is inaccurate. I will just let it go at that.

You do not want to take the feedback. End of what I have to say about it.
And many people would rather listen to their own delusions than hear the opinions of or see the facts that disprove those delusions. It’s that sort of world. So you want to stop playing shrink and discuss the Ukraine Conflict which the thread is about?
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Old 10-06-2023, 11:49 AM
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And many people would rather listen to their own delusions than hear the opinions of or see the facts that disprove those delusions. It’s that sort of world. So you want to stop playing shrink and discuss the Ukraine Conflict which the thread is about?
The frustrating thing, Cargo, is your manner of selecting facts.
Example: A couple posts back you feature a photo with the headline to the effect "Slovakia Halts aid to Ukraine".
For the moment that is true.
President Caputova has stated that further approval of aid will be halted until a new govt. is formed. She has stated that she strongly supports continuing aid.
Former PM Fico, described by Gazetta Wyborcza as a populist with pro-Russian sympathies, heads an 'opposition to further aid' party that makes up only 22.9% of parliament.

So, the posted headline leaves the impression that this is a done deal. It may prove to be, but the current count doesn't make it a sure thing.
The headline, while not totally false, isn't completely truthful either.
Just as reading your posts, one would think that Ukraina is currently the army that is losing ground. You tend to post facts and articles as such that create a misleading picture, which leads to backlash.

Also, just omissions. Ukraine, which does not have a navy, and according to yourself and others lacks air superiority, just got Russia to withdraw its fleet from Sevastopol. Commercial grain ships are again plying the Black Sea.
Up to 1/3 of Ukraini motorized equipt is reported to be captured Russian material. (for any student of the early days of the USA involved Viet Nam war, that should add insight....yet not a word from all you post)

Your posts add the mountain of support to the political factions that wish to cut aid to Ukraine. Free country. Your right.
But the possibility of these political factions being successful in either cutting or reducing aid is likely prolonging the war, as it has now become what Russia is counting on.

Hannah Arendt said in "The Human Condition" that we "must think about what we are doing".
Beyond winning an argument, "we must think about what we are doing."
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Old 10-06-2023, 02:33 PM
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The frustrating thing, Cargo, is your manner of selecting facts.
Example: A couple posts back you feature a photo with the headline to the effect "Slovakia Halts aid to Ukraine".
For the moment that is true.
President Caputova has stated that further approval of aid will be halted until a new govt. is formed. She has stated that she strongly supports continuing aid.
Your posts add the mountain of support to the political factions that wish to cut aid to Ukraine. Free country. Your right.
But the possibility of these political factions being successful in either cutting or reducing aid is likely prolonging the war, as it has now become what Russia is counting on.

Hannah Arendt said in "The Human Condition" that we "must think about what we are doing".
Beyond winning an argument, "we must think about what we are doing."
In meto’s humblest, gibberish opinion..
The meat & potatoes argument Col. Copypaste lays on the table is an insurmountable, Ukraine disadvantage of resupply, support, i.e., logistics. Now taking shape as another protracted war of attrition. Big one. To underestimate or carelessly marginalize Russian commitment is dangerous.
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In meto’s humblest, gibberish opinion..
The meat & potatoes argument Col. Copypaste lays on the table is an insurmountable, Ukraine disadvantage of resupply, support, i.e., logistics. Now taking shape as another protracted war of attrition. Big one. To underestimate or carelessly marginalize Russian commitment is dangerous.
You guys on here are all clueless.
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You guys on here are all clueless.
Speak forth, enlightened one. Feckless, nihilistic pigeons await your answer. Don’t let us down.
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Old 10-06-2023, 08:44 PM
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Hannah Arendt said in "The Human Condition" that we "must think about what we are doing".
Beyond winning an argument, "we must think about what we are doing."
Yes, and underestimating an opponent - or overestimating the motivation or capability of an ally or group of allies in a war is something we should not be doing. You don’t win wars with wishful thinking, you simply get more people killed. Repressing unfavorable facts sets you up for disaster. It’s one thing to know the facts and make an informed decision concerning what to do. It is quite another to suppress the facts and simply believe one side is going to win because their cause is right.

Wishful thinking and high moral authority does not often win wars as our most recent 20 year debacle in Afghanistan demonstrates.
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
Yes, and underestimating an opponent - or overestimating the motivation or capability of an ally or group of allies in a war is something we should not be doing. You don’t win wars with wishful thinking, you simply get more people killed. Repressing unfavorable facts sets you up for disaster. It’s one thing to know the facts and make an informed decision concerning what to do. It is quite another to suppress the facts and simply believe one side is going to win because their cause is right.

Wishful thinking and high moral authority does not often win wars as our most recent 20 year debacle in Afghanistan demonstrates.
this is not a way an adult comports himself. You have posted countless opinions pieces that have not come to fruition. Subsequently you have failed to circle back and Own it. Max is not incorrect.
more examples:
eu support in 22
sanctions not working
poland turning on Ukraine via grain

all of these examples are objective

own your mistakes, circle back if wrong, or stop posting like an adult. That is the crux of the matter. You are entitled to you opinion, you are welcome to display and explain your opinion as you see fit, however cut and pasting doom an gloom articles all day, everday, is just not received in the manner you wish, when you fail to show context or be forthright when circumstances have changed in the articles you choose to post.

there is a point where you “win” through obstinance. But is it really a win if other people just view you as a pigeon sh1tting on the board and not worth their time?

own your errors…..


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