Hubcapped

What is your solution? Regardless of what you “think”, objectively almost half of the RUs combat capability is destroyed. THEY CANNOT GO ON THE OFFENSIVE ANYMORE FOR A DECADE MINIMUM. I bold this not as yelling but to make sure this point us not missed. You claim we can do nothing and yet WE ALREADY HAVE. By the blood of poor Ukrainian men, women, and children we have crushed the bear.

Stop obfuscating, be an adult and answer the questions or be and adult and admit you have no other solutions than whining like your media gods tell you to do.

what is the west suppose to do in the face of autocratic leaders executing territorial expansion beyond their internationally recognized borders?

i don’t understand the tucker comment, happy to play ball but i dont get it.

ReluctantEskimo

Uh oh. This wasn't part of the plan. Ruble in free fall, exports frozen. This game of chicken is getting harder to maintain.

ReluctantEskimo

This post is proof that Excargodog's opinion will remain forever unmoved regardless of new data. The 2% target was his complaint 2 years ago. Now that's being met.
He's still complaining.

https://www.reuters.com/world/nato-a...ts-2023-07-07/

Excargodog

Did you miss the “…in the future…” in the above article? They have been promising “in the future…” for decades. IT’S NOT BEING MET NOW by the countries with the largest economies, like Germany, Italy, Spain, and France. And based on their previous decades of fecklessness, there is little reason to believe it will happen next year either. It’s ALWAYS manana for these guys, despite their promises.



Are you aware when the FIRST promises of 2% were made? Decades ago. Then reiterated at meeting after meeting. But it doesn’t get done.

All three Bush administrations and the Clinton and Obama administrations pushed for NATO members to spend at least 2% of GDP. Didn’t happen.



https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_67655.htm

https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/06/10...et-bad-target/

https://carnegieeurope.eu/2015/09/02...rope-pub-61139

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. But if you believe that these guys who have been reneging on their promises for decades are REALLY going to turn it around, YOU are the real fool.

METO Guido

Offered that in reply to several posts. You tell me?


Doesn’t understand Tucker paper? What, a dozen times, more probably in this thread alone, labeling any resistance to a record of abject policy failure, over 2 successive campaigns, Fox pawns? When, by any measure, all 3 mainstream networks consistently accept administrative explanation of why its war in Eastern Europe is at Winter's door, a reeking trench filled stalemate. So as year 3 lays claim on US media, the feckless voter gets another chance to kick the can. Whatever's left that is.

ReluctantEskimo

Complains about the future. Posts charts from 2 years ago. I don't know if you have been paying attention to world news, but there has been a significant development in Europe since 2021. Your charts are invalid.

T1000

reeking trench filled stalemate?….doesn’t Russia still control the four disputed territories?

Hubcapped

I genuinely do not recall you ever stating a policy that would address an autocratic nation that is attempting acquire territories beyond their internationally recognized borders. If you are talking about isolationism, that is not a strategy, that is a death sentence as demonstrated countless times throughout history.

please elaborate a plan.

as to your “abject failure” of a policy. If the goal is to reduce/eliminate the RUs consistent aggression towards its neighbors (georgia/moldova/Ukraine), how has this been a failure? Russia has been decimated militarily. That is objectively true.

please counter these points and stop dancing around like a pigeon on a chess board.

Hubcapped

he will never admit it. He is literally incapable of circling back and acknowledging where he may have been wrong. He will never answer direct questions that he knows refute his statements. It is ridiculously childish on all fronts. Good luck.

Excargodog

The charts are proof of decades of fecklessness. They made the same promise of “future 2% funding” AT LEAST 15 years ago but claimed they would need time to build up to it. Yet the charts have been flat for 15 years.

One definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Feckless is as feckless does. And you didn’t even fully read the article you posted which said they would fund 2% in the future.

That too is feckless. Maybe YOU ought to join NATO. As John Goodman said in Argo, ‘You’ll fit right in.”