Ukraine conflict
#1311
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apologies for spam, but this needs to be addressed.
they invaded Ukraine
i repeat, they invaded Ukraine. The war can stop anytime russia wants by leaving Ukraine’s internationally recognized borders. Hell, I bet they could leave everything except crimea and that would stop the war as well.
you blithely offering up the Ukrainian people on the altar of fear is a loss of composure imo, but thats just me
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they invaded Ukraine
i repeat, they invaded Ukraine. The war can stop anytime russia wants by leaving Ukraine’s internationally recognized borders. Hell, I bet they could leave everything except crimea and that would stop the war as well.
you blithely offering up the Ukrainian people on the altar of fear is a loss of composure imo, but thats just me
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This basic Truth needs to be repeated more often.
#1312
The isolationists are ultimately going to win that battle at the polls in the US if the major non-US economies in EU/NATO (France, Germany, Italy, Spain) don’t get their collective @$$es in gear. US taxpayers are getting tired of being played.
#1313
Ukrainian demographics…
Another opinion heard:
https://americanmind.org/salvo/to-the-last-ukrainian/
An excerpt:
https://americanmind.org/salvo/to-the-last-ukrainian/
An excerpt:
After the flight of refugees and the annexation of southeastern regions, Ukraine’s population dropped from 42 to about 30 million. Women from Kiev and Kharkov, the largest and most developed Ukrainian cities, are most likely to have left the country. These women are young and middle aged, and have college degrees and children. According to a report in the Italian newspaper Carrier De La Serra, educated refugees were able to find employment abroad and their children study in local languages. Some families crumble. It’s doubtful that those already growing roots will return after the war. More likely they will be joined by their equally well-educated husbands.
Given Ukraine’s very low pre-war birth rate, the loss of millions of children and women of reproductive age can be catastrophic.
Given Ukraine’s very low pre-war birth rate, the loss of millions of children and women of reproductive age can be catastrophic.
#1314
Maybe Czar Vlad III can try again in 50 years after the population demographics settle out more in his favor.
#1315
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2 points:
by mentioning all those languages i assume then, that you are agreeing that a failed policy of appeasement is prevalent in history. Thank you. I expect your full support putting the RU back in its box henceforth
as to your star trek reference:
So to be clear, you are saying that this conflict is engineered by the defense industrial complex, and that the US government is purposefully trying to drag it out for money?
by mentioning all those languages i assume then, that you are agreeing that a failed policy of appeasement is prevalent in history. Thank you. I expect your full support putting the RU back in its box henceforth
as to your star trek reference:
So to be clear, you are saying that this conflict is engineered by the defense industrial complex, and that the US government is purposefully trying to drag it out for money?
Point 2: I'm saying when this ends, the US will be less prepared to control its destiny. Manifest or otherwise.
Serve the People. Great leap Forward. Lies imposed by a regime focused on one thing. Control. Who will rule the Bear tomorrow? Whoever it is, we won't control chit. Look around, what do you see? Division, disorder, lack of everything but angry demand for more goodies. Contract gains from the greedy bastards who pander to the BOD.
Switch off the internet. Relegate poor meto to a chair because 'gibberish' is so troublesome. Yet when pushed for answers, no surprises there. Rack & tap longer range missiles. The same ones nobody here knows how to pay for except on an overdrawn Mastercard of failed foreign policy spending.
#1316
Anyone who has actually participated in one. In the US that’s approximately 17 million persons, or roughly 5% of the population. And that’s just the number of veterans. With our tooth-to-tail ratio it’s unlikely half of them actually saw combat. But they at least were at risk of seeing war up close and personal. For the rest it is at best an intellectual exercise rather than an experience.
That’s part of the problem. The population demographics are ALREADY in his favor, perhaps why Russia is conscripting 18-30 year olds
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...30-2023-07-25/
while the Ukraine is conscripting 18-60 year olds and has banned all males 18-60 years old from leaving the country
https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-scan.../32554383.html and considering extraditing those who have already fled to neighboring countries.
https://www.kyivpost.com/post/21242#...%20to%20bribes.
While many people - especially those who have never seen combat - believe that the Ukrainians ought to be supported just as long as they want to fight, that argument overlooks the fact that these are BOTH conscript armies in this meatgrinder. Also that a state of martial law exists in the Ukraine and the parliamentary and presidential elections soon due probably aren’t going to happen.
https://www.politico.eu/article/ukra...mma-elections/
And of course, the Russian “elections” are a farce, meaning neither government may actually represent the feelings of the conscripts being maimed and killed.
So yeah, war sucks, but for conscripts it arguably sucks worse. You and I enlisted (well, accepted commissions anyway) Rick, they were drafted.
Maybe Czar Vlad III can try again in 50 years after the population demographics settle out more in his favor.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...30-2023-07-25/
while the Ukraine is conscripting 18-60 year olds and has banned all males 18-60 years old from leaving the country
https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-scan.../32554383.html and considering extraditing those who have already fled to neighboring countries.
https://www.kyivpost.com/post/21242#...%20to%20bribes.
While many people - especially those who have never seen combat - believe that the Ukrainians ought to be supported just as long as they want to fight, that argument overlooks the fact that these are BOTH conscript armies in this meatgrinder. Also that a state of martial law exists in the Ukraine and the parliamentary and presidential elections soon due probably aren’t going to happen.
https://www.politico.eu/article/ukra...mma-elections/
And of course, the Russian “elections” are a farce, meaning neither government may actually represent the feelings of the conscripts being maimed and killed.
So yeah, war sucks, but for conscripts it arguably sucks worse. You and I enlisted (well, accepted commissions anyway) Rick, they were drafted.
#1317
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imagine you are at a party, would you consistently speak in tongues like this through out the evening? Im dumb, not very perceptive half the time, but i know im not the only one who struggles to untangle your meanings.
that said please answer the question I posed if able using dumb man words:
is the US actively dragging out this war at the behest of our industrial complex? If yes explain, if no, retract your uss enterprise rant.
i want to hear what you have to say so that we can argue and get a good little endorphine rush….its just difficult to track
#1318
Counter-offensive threatened by slow Western aid - Zelenskyy
Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskyy has said that Russia was slowing down the Ukrainian counter-offensive, blaming the "slowness" of Western arms deliveries. The leader also renewed calls for long-range weapons as well as new sanctions against Moscow.
Speaking on Friday, Zelenskyy also stressed that time was against Ukraine, with Russia banking on a Republican victory in the 2024 presidential election to weaken American support for Kyiv.
According to him, "the processes are becoming more complicated and slower when it comes to economic sanctions against Moscow or the supply of weapons" from the West.
Ukraine has complained in particular for months about the slowness of negotiations on the delivery of F-16 fighters. Several dozen of these American aircraft will ultimately be delivered by European countries, but the crews must now be trained for months in order to use them effectively.
The Ukrainian counter-offensive, launched in June, came up against powerful defence lines built by the Russians, including minefields and anti-tank traps.
However, a breakthrough has emerged in recent weeks in the south, which could allow the Ukrainian army to advance to cut Russian lines of communication between the north and Crimea, one of its objectives.
American Secretary of State Antony Blinken, who was in Kyiv on Wednesday and Thursday, judged the “significant progress” of the offensive “very, very encouraging”.
He promised $1 billion (approximately €933m) in new aid. Washington also confirmed the supply of depleted uranium shells to give “momentum” to the offensive.
Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskyy has said that Russia was slowing down the Ukrainian counter-offensive, blaming the "slowness" of Western arms deliveries. The leader also renewed calls for long-range weapons as well as new sanctions against Moscow.
Speaking on Friday, Zelenskyy also stressed that time was against Ukraine, with Russia banking on a Republican victory in the 2024 presidential election to weaken American support for Kyiv.
According to him, "the processes are becoming more complicated and slower when it comes to economic sanctions against Moscow or the supply of weapons" from the West.
Ukraine has complained in particular for months about the slowness of negotiations on the delivery of F-16 fighters. Several dozen of these American aircraft will ultimately be delivered by European countries, but the crews must now be trained for months in order to use them effectively.
The Ukrainian counter-offensive, launched in June, came up against powerful defence lines built by the Russians, including minefields and anti-tank traps.
However, a breakthrough has emerged in recent weeks in the south, which could allow the Ukrainian army to advance to cut Russian lines of communication between the north and Crimea, one of its objectives.
American Secretary of State Antony Blinken, who was in Kyiv on Wednesday and Thursday, judged the “significant progress” of the offensive “very, very encouraging”.
He promised $1 billion (approximately €933m) in new aid. Washington also confirmed the supply of depleted uranium shells to give “momentum” to the offensive.
#1319
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Meto, i am honest when i say this….. your answers are not troublesome.The manner in which you speak, is tough to track. It may be the most salient points of the evening, but when your audience cant track what you are saying it only leaves one to wonder if you are foreign, trying too hard to sound smart, or your SA is so low you dont know how to talk to normal people.
https://youtu.be/Lj7kCE4TnJE?si=Slo6UU7KK9-lrA1F
#1320
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That’s okay. I understand you, 4x4. Did you grow up here? Communicating is complicated. War even more so. You’re still young? Guns we send will NOT bring peace to Europe. Home is where you make it. Everybody knows that.
https://youtu.be/Lj7kCE4TnJE?si=Slo6UU7KK9-lrA1F
https://youtu.be/Lj7kCE4TnJE?si=Slo6UU7KK9-lrA1F
I got the pooooooo on meeeeeee
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