Ukraine conflict
09-08-2023, 08:55 PM
#1301
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CIA has overthrown, or attempted to overthrow at least 60+ governments in the last 70 years.
My country, right or wrong. Let the spice/oil flow, I don't GAS. "Monroe Doctrine is Dead" [wink wink]
As long as the checks clear and I (or my progeny) doesn't get drafted.
Don't delude yourself you're on the side of right and might, however.
Nation states aren't moral actors. (You are though, behave accordingly)
My country, right or wrong. Let the spice/oil flow, I don't GAS. "Monroe Doctrine is Dead" [wink wink]
As long as the checks clear and I (or my progeny) doesn't get drafted.
Don't delude yourself you're on the side of right and might, however.
Nation states aren't moral actors. (You are though, behave accordingly)
09-08-2023, 09:06 PM
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09-08-2023, 09:18 PM
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What's next you ask? ATACMS.
09-08-2023, 09:32 PM
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CIA has overthrown, or attempted to overthrow at least 60+ governments in the last 70 years.
My country, right or wrong. Let the spice/oil flow, I don't GAS. "Monroe Doctrine is Dead" [wink wink]
As long as the checks clear and I (or my progeny) doesn't get drafted.
Don't delude yourself you're on the side of right and might, however.
Nation states aren't moral actors. (You are though, behave accordingly)
My country, right or wrong. Let the spice/oil flow, I don't GAS. "Monroe Doctrine is Dead" [wink wink]
As long as the checks clear and I (or my progeny) doesn't get drafted.
Don't delude yourself you're on the side of right and might, however.
Nation states aren't moral actors. (You are though, behave accordingly)
09-09-2023, 01:24 AM
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It might also prohibit using it for certain purposes... that would be sensible since if you allow one party to use your service in an armed conflict, the opposing party might shoot your satellites down. The business model probably wouldn't account for that. Better to let the combatants pay you to launch their wholly-owned satellites.
09-09-2023, 01:52 AM
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This comes up every now and then, but correct me if I'm wrong, my understanding is that no-one has the capability to start shooting down satellites en masse? ASATs have mostly been used as single "show of force" style events, but no-one really has capability to shoot down more than one or two, and even then success is not guaranteed?
The munitions are not very expensive. Not sure who has what in inventory, but it wouldn't take long to acquire more.
Any of the G7 could do it if they wanted to.
Bottom line, ASAT weapons are cheaper than most satellites. Possible exception for very small satellites.
Critical national security satellites can be assumed to be LO, and possibly have other counter measures in the future.
Nobody has done it to an adversary to date, because that would be a gross escalation at best; or more likely an act of war.
But several nations have demonstrated the capability.
09-09-2023, 07:46 AM
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Dude……..
Lets track the conversation in chronological order so you can at least get your endorphin rush from a place of reality
1. i stated “if” its true…..”if” its true that he turned it off mid operation
2. you claim its the same as the US withholding long ranger arms
3. i say no, because it would be like giving them said weapons, letting them be about to use them, and then turning them off so they lose those weapons, which destroys your little comparison quite handily imo
4. you now claim that the whole analogy is flawed because he didnt do the “if” part
try and keep up pigeon, i dont mind arguing to get the entertainment, but dont gaslight please
09-09-2023, 07:51 AM
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French, Afrikaans, Deutsch possibly.
So you heard of Starship Enterprise, good. Ran a long time in reruns then even bigger success with new crews decades later. Why? The future demands confrontation with bigger & more capable threats. Always. None of which is possible without equipping Starfleet the necessary tools. If you’d paid any attention to some of the acknowledged logistics & recruiting gaps in US readiness presented just in this thread, that might help drafting stronger, more credible pro-status quo arguments.
So you heard of Starship Enterprise, good. Ran a long time in reruns then even bigger success with new crews decades later. Why? The future demands confrontation with bigger & more capable threats. Always. None of which is possible without equipping Starfleet the necessary tools. If you’d paid any attention to some of the acknowledged logistics & recruiting gaps in US readiness presented just in this thread, that might help drafting stronger, more credible pro-status quo arguments.
by mentioning all those languages i assume then, that you are agreeing that a failed policy of appeasement is prevalent in history. Thank you. I expect your full support putting the RU back in its box henceforth
as to your star trek reference:
So to be clear, you are saying that this conflict is engineered by the defense industrial complex, and that the US government is purposefully trying to drag it out for money?
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09-09-2023, 08:00 AM
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Or Welch, or Scottish,or Breton, or Irish, or Gaelic, or Cornish, or Manx,
Without the threat of the Norsemen the United Kingdom might well have never United.
https://thevikingherald.com/article/...r-heard-of/493
Without the threat of the Norsemen the United Kingdom might well have never United.
https://thevikingherald.com/article/...r-heard-of/493
09-09-2023, 08:08 AM
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CIA has overthrown, or attempted to overthrow at least 60+ governments in the last 70 years.
My country, right or wrong. Let the spice/oil flow, I don't GAS. "Monroe Doctrine is Dead" [wink wink]
As long as the checks clear and I (or my progeny) doesn't get drafted.
Don't delude yourself you're on the side of right and might, however.
Nation states aren't moral actors. (You are though, behave accordingly)
My country, right or wrong. Let the spice/oil flow, I don't GAS. "Monroe Doctrine is Dead" [wink wink]
As long as the checks clear and I (or my progeny) doesn't get drafted.
Don't delude yourself you're on the side of right and might, however.
Nation states aren't moral actors. (You are though, behave accordingly)
His last (I think it is) book "The Irony of Manifest Destiny" is his one read I liked best. Written during Obama's first term it is a bit dated, as it doesn't address the current rise of Fascism as personified by and in Putin's Russia, he makes a strong argument of how 'we got here' using the sea change of thought as a result of the Enlightenment.
You search for deeper causation makes this one a good fit.
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