rickair7777

I don't "believe", I know how things are done.

We gain plenty by providing intel, training, and munitions. UR is more than capable of routinely spanking the RU army because we've been preparing them for this since 2014. And to their credit, they're motivated.

Having black operators engaging in DL combat would accomplish very little, because of the measures necessary to stay black. And if somebody got caught (they likely would eventually, murphy and all) the political blowback and escalation risk would not be worth it. To say nothing of feeding putin's narrative fire.

We're not doing it because it would accomplish little and have big downsides... in other words the math says don't. It would be stoopid.

We're entirely capable of doing stuff like that, and have in the past, but it just doesn't make sense here.

But if somebody is being stoopid, you should be able to prove it because it should be in the media by now, ODD/SAD/devgru guys on trial in Moscow. Provide a link.

TransWorld

So, you are saying Hillary would conduct some fraudulent real estate transactions?

SonicFlyer

One word..... "history"

Excargodog

In fairness, the US had quite a few troops in the Ukraine for years, both active duty and Reserve/Guard personnel, with the acknowledged mission of training the Ukrainian Army and Air Force familiarizing them with NATO tactics and organizational structure:

https://www.nationalguard.mil/News/A...guard-program/


https://www.nationalguard.mil/News/A...aine-training/

https://www.nationalguard.mil/News/A...raine-mission/

https://www.readfrontier.org/stories...oy-to-ukraine/

https://citizen-soldiermagazine.com/...nian-rhapsody/

https://www.nationalguard.mil/News/A...ies-in-europe/


This no doubt fed the Russians inherent paranoia.

But all of these troops are supposed to have been pulled out - if only as far as Romania and Poland - just prior to the Russian invasion:

https://www.army.mil/article/254003/...eaving_ukraine

Although some volunteer retiree/veterans no doubt remain.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/03/u...s-ukraine.html

To the Russians, that may be a distinction without a meaningful difference.

Excargodog

We’ve had troops there for 20 years:

https://www.stripes.com/branches/arm...t-2580248.html

Mostly just a sort of tripwire force, sort of guaranteeing that any renewed fighting will pull NATO back in, but with NATO occupied helping the Ukraine, the Serbs are starting to saber rattle.





We're living in interesting times.
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Excargodog

https://www.rferl.org/a/afghanistan-.../32195876.html

METO Guido

That’s splendid

JBird

So that’s a “no?” You have no sources to support your claim.

Why then, should anyone consider your view as informed?

Excargodog

…with EACH OTHER.

https://www.politico.eu/article/turkey-mevlut-cavusoglu-threat-war-greece-territorial-sea-dispute/

https://www.politico.eu/article/erdogan-warns-greece-that-turkish-missiles-can-reach-athens%EF%BF%BC/

Hubcapped

Lol which just supports the fact that nato is a defensive organization made up of a bunch of people that hate each other but have been scared of Russian aggression.

You realize where nato came from right? Two armies meet in the middle, one gives back all their territory gains to the original country, and the other…….doesn’t

Screw Russia, they had this coming since yalta.

Their attack is stalled out in bakhmut. No more offensive pushes to be had…..a hundred thousand guys are dead so Russia can just sit there in the cold…..so dumb