Ukraine conflict
09-04-2023, 10:07 AM
#1231
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Beware those who would censor the opinions of others. They are the ones who seek to deceive. That’s why we have a first amendment. Clearly, others are as entitled to their opinions as anyone else, but their opinions should compete with those of others in the marketplace of ideas. I realize Hubcapped is a Ukrainian fanboy and truthfully, I have a lot of admiration for the Ukrainians too, but what either of us WISH to be the outcome does not trump reality or change either the facts on the ground or the European politics or the decades of NATO partner underinvestment that brought us to this point. And Hubcapped’s partisanship damn sure doesn’t trump the first amendment.
09-04-2023, 10:08 AM
#1232
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Typical RU propaganda BS... kinzhal is a not a "hypersonic weapon" in accordance with the term of art.
It is an air launched ballistic missile. Ballistic missiles, which have been operational since WW-II and number in the tens of thousands, are by definition "hypersonic". Some terror groups employ them. So nothing to see here.
In the modern context "hypersonic weapon" refers to a cruise missile which can fly low and maneuver at hypersonic speeds... much harder to intercept than a ballistic missile on fixed suborbital trajectory for all the world to see (and intercept). Also much harder to design and build.
It is an air launched ballistic missile. Ballistic missiles, which have been operational since WW-II and number in the tens of thousands, are by definition "hypersonic". Some terror groups employ them. So nothing to see here.
In the modern context "hypersonic weapon" refers to a cruise missile which can fly low and maneuver at hypersonic speeds... much harder to intercept than a ballistic missile on fixed suborbital trajectory for all the world to see (and intercept). Also much harder to design and build.
09-04-2023, 10:36 AM
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09-04-2023, 10:40 AM
#1235
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Typical RU propaganda BS... kinzhal is a not a "hypersonic weapon" in accordance with the term of art.
It is an air launched ballistic missile. Ballistic missiles, which have been operational since WW-II and number in the tens of thousands, are by definition "hypersonic". Some terror groups employ them. So nothing to see here.
In the modern context "hypersonic weapon" refers to a cruise missile which can fly low and maneuver at hypersonic speeds... much harder to intercept than a ballistic missile on fixed suborbital trajectory for all the world to see (and intercept). Also much harder to design and build.
It is an air launched ballistic missile. Ballistic missiles, which have been operational since WW-II and number in the tens of thousands, are by definition "hypersonic". Some terror groups employ them. So nothing to see here.
In the modern context "hypersonic weapon" refers to a cruise missile which can fly low and maneuver at hypersonic speeds... much harder to intercept than a ballistic missile on fixed suborbital trajectory for all the world to see (and intercept). Also much harder to design and build.
While Russia says the missile is “Russia’s latest system with hypersonic aero-ballistic missiles… features low radar signature and high maneuverability and is designed to strike ground and naval targets” whether it is technically a true hypersonic missile has been questioned. Western analysis claims the weapons do not truly qualify because while they are fast, an established understanding of what hypersonic means implies a real leap forward in manoeuvrability which does not appear to be present in the system.Previous Russian claims that the Kinzhals are “unstoppable” have also been seriously shaken by their deployment in the field, which Ukraine having now claimed to have shot down several of the missiles using U.S. made Patriot defence batteries.
Russia re-focussing its airforce with the SU-34 rollout may spur on Ukrainian calls for the West to speed their handover of F-16 fighters, which it says it needs to assert air superiority in its own airspace and roll back the Russian occupation
Russia re-focussing its airforce with the SU-34 rollout may spur on Ukrainian calls for the West to speed their handover of F-16 fighters, which it says it needs to assert air superiority in its own airspace and roll back the Russian occupation
09-04-2023, 12:44 PM
#1236
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Beware those who would censor the opinions of others. They are the ones who seek to deceive. That’s why we have a first amendment. Clearly, others are as entitled to their opinions as anyone else, but their opinions should compete with those of others in the marketplace of ideas. I realize Hubcapped is a Ukrainian fanboy and truthfully, I have a lot of admiration for the Ukrainians too, but what either of us WISH to be the outcome does not trump reality or change either the facts on the ground or the European politics or the decades of NATO partner underinvestment that brought us to this point. And Hubcapped’s partisanship damn sure doesn’t trump the first amendment.
you have swallowed your parties propaganda hook line and sinker. I feel sad for you. Particularly the part where you think you can talk about the front lines snd the break through, but didnt even know why robo was important nor understand why a kihnzal is a non factor. You are posting to post. There is no depth to your understanding, only political garbage, and regurgitation of RU propaganda.
the irony of the end of your post is also entertaining. You have crapped on thos whole thing from the get go. You have stated that the EU would abandon ukraine by winter of 22. You have cried to the heavens consistently that ukraine faces such insurmountable odds that they should settle, and yet despite your cowardice of appeasement, here we are. Ukraine has liberated 50% of the pre crimea territories. They have shown a penchant for killing RU equipment on a scale of 3:1. They have completely bankrupted the RU with equipment losses. They have negotiated US right wing politicians, logistics, and battlefield hardship to be at the doors of tokmat. Your opinions are just hot garbage IMO.
honestly just not knowing why robo was critical just shows everything.
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09-04-2023, 02:03 PM
#1237
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i dont post constant opinion pieces vlad. I only respond to yours. Maybe ask yourself why you are here with all your right wing subjective material. There is something in you that wants to see ukraine and nato fail.
you have swallowed your parties propaganda hook line and sinker. I feel sad for you. Particularly the part where you think you can talk about the front lines snd the break through, but didnt even know why robo was important nor understand why a kihnzal is a non factor. You are posting to post. There is no depth to your understanding, only political garbage, and regurgitation of RU propaganda.
the irony of the end of your post is also entertaining. You have crapped on thos whole thing from the get go. You have stated that the EU would abandon ukraine by winter of 22. You have cried to the heavens consistently that ukraine faces such insurmountable odds that they should settle, and yet despite your cowardice of appeasement, here we are. Ukraine has liberated 50% of the pre crimea territories. They have shown a penchant for killing RU equipment on a scale of 3:1. They have completely bankrupted the RU with equipment losses. They have negotiated US right wing politicians, logistics, and battlefield hardship to be at the doors of tokmat. Your opinions are just hot garbage IMO.
honestly just not knowing why robo was critical just shows everything.
you have swallowed your parties propaganda hook line and sinker. I feel sad for you. Particularly the part where you think you can talk about the front lines snd the break through, but didnt even know why robo was important nor understand why a kihnzal is a non factor. You are posting to post. There is no depth to your understanding, only political garbage, and regurgitation of RU propaganda.
the irony of the end of your post is also entertaining. You have crapped on thos whole thing from the get go. You have stated that the EU would abandon ukraine by winter of 22. You have cried to the heavens consistently that ukraine faces such insurmountable odds that they should settle, and yet despite your cowardice of appeasement, here we are. Ukraine has liberated 50% of the pre crimea territories. They have shown a penchant for killing RU equipment on a scale of 3:1. They have completely bankrupted the RU with equipment losses. They have negotiated US right wing politicians, logistics, and battlefield hardship to be at the doors of tokmat. Your opinions are just hot garbage IMO.
honestly just not knowing why robo was critical just shows everything.
09-04-2023, 03:18 PM
#1238
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Posts: 1,902
How many networks broadcast Ukraine in lieu of meat lovers pizza, bud light & Pepsi this Labor day weekend? The planet we’re busy transforming into an intergalactic EPA supersite stands still for no one. You said it yourself; ‘we don’t live in a bubble.’ It’s Autumn. As the war celebrates its 2nd birthday, what have YOU to show for the loss of life or opportunity cost thus far? The bridge at Robotyne. Okay? By all means let’s take great encouragement and go on waging a crusade gen XYZ can’t explain any better than you, me or the geriatric nitwits stalling for time with inflated currency on DNR. Disregard with bitter personal retorts all you like, Ex lives in the real world. The world of little faith in truth, justice or the American brand. Just what’s left of our credit, guns and gross naïveté. Too bad mercy for spoiled, naive dopes is found only at the altar. Martyrs die but to fill a hole. Sorry.
09-04-2023, 03:20 PM
#1239
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Robo wasn’t - and isn’t - critical. It is merely a small step on a long journey. Your lack of understanding, ad hominem attacks, name-calling,or misstatements of what I have said do not change that. Nor does your lack of understanding of the difficulties posed by Hungary’s hold up of EU funding and NATO acceptance of Ukraine membership suggest you shoukd be trying to impress anyone with your supposed superior understanding of the situation. And as for “opinion pieces” the future of the Ukraine is ALL opinion until it becomes reality.
09-04-2023, 03:43 PM
#1240
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Robo provides the Highground to Ukrainian arty all the way to tokmat. You literally have no idea what you’re talking about. Nothing is finite, I’ve said this many times, so don’t put words in my mouth. The Robo ledge is one of the keys to breaking open the southern Front. If you actually studied what’s happening instead of just click baiting on your right wing websites, you would know this. Don’t worry Tucker, Ukraine will persevere in spite of people like you.
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