Ukraine conflict
#1173
Vlad has reliable, professional covert operators at his disposal, whether government or third party. Ordering a fighter pilot to shoot down a civil aircraft in broad daylight might not go over so well, RU is not exactly DPRK.
And they might actually have needed to save the missile for UA.
#1174
As Kyiv and Washington debate where Ukraine should commit troops along the war’s front line, Ukraine’s top general in the east has called for more reinforcements in a patch of territory where Russia is threatening to make additional gains.
Russian forces have managed to push forward around the northeastern Ukrainian city of Kupianskin recent weeks as Kyiv’s forces have made slow headway in their continuing counteroffensive in the south and the east. Russia’s gains, while not significant, have led Ukrainian forces to dedicate some troops to defend parts of the sprawling front line, which stretches for several hundred miles, despite their need elsewhere.
“Enemy units continue to inflict damage with artillery, mortars and aircraft,” the general, Oleksandr Syrsky, the commander of Ukraine’s eastern forces, said on the Telegram messaging app on Friday. “Under such conditions, we must promptly take all measures to strengthen our defenses on the threatened lines and advance where possible.”
The debate over Ukraine’s strategy has spilled into public view in recent days amid a flurry of news media reports, including from The New York Times, in which U.S. officials have blamed Ukraine’s slow progress in large part on its strategy. Under the Pentagon’s reasoning, Kyiv should have committed an outsize number of forces on one portion of the front line to attempt a breakthrough. Ukrainian commanders have instead tried to divide troops and firepower in a manner that they consider to be as fair and as equal as possible between the east and south.
President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine responded bluntly to the American criticism this past week, saying that shifting Ukrainian forces away from places like Kupiansk, in the Kharkiv region, is what Russia is trying to accomplish.
“We will not give up Kharkiv, Donbas, Pavlohrad or Dnipro. And that’s that,” he said during a news conference on Wednesday according to the Ukrainian Pravda news outlet. “And let all the analysts in the world not even count on it.”
General Syrsky’s remarks were another reminder that despite the public focus on the counteroffensive in the south, other parts of the front line remain volatile.
“The enemy is now regrouping its forces and means, while also transferring the newly formed brigades and divisions from the territory of Russia,” General Syrsky said. “Russia’s key objective is to increase the level of combat potential and resume active offensive actions.” His claims about the arrival of new units could not be independently confirmed
Russian forces have managed to push forward around the northeastern Ukrainian city of Kupianskin recent weeks as Kyiv’s forces have made slow headway in their continuing counteroffensive in the south and the east. Russia’s gains, while not significant, have led Ukrainian forces to dedicate some troops to defend parts of the sprawling front line, which stretches for several hundred miles, despite their need elsewhere.
“Enemy units continue to inflict damage with artillery, mortars and aircraft,” the general, Oleksandr Syrsky, the commander of Ukraine’s eastern forces, said on the Telegram messaging app on Friday. “Under such conditions, we must promptly take all measures to strengthen our defenses on the threatened lines and advance where possible.”
The debate over Ukraine’s strategy has spilled into public view in recent days amid a flurry of news media reports, including from The New York Times, in which U.S. officials have blamed Ukraine’s slow progress in large part on its strategy. Under the Pentagon’s reasoning, Kyiv should have committed an outsize number of forces on one portion of the front line to attempt a breakthrough. Ukrainian commanders have instead tried to divide troops and firepower in a manner that they consider to be as fair and as equal as possible between the east and south.
President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine responded bluntly to the American criticism this past week, saying that shifting Ukrainian forces away from places like Kupiansk, in the Kharkiv region, is what Russia is trying to accomplish.
“We will not give up Kharkiv, Donbas, Pavlohrad or Dnipro. And that’s that,” he said during a news conference on Wednesday according to the Ukrainian Pravda news outlet. “And let all the analysts in the world not even count on it.”
General Syrsky’s remarks were another reminder that despite the public focus on the counteroffensive in the south, other parts of the front line remain volatile.
“The enemy is now regrouping its forces and means, while also transferring the newly formed brigades and divisions from the territory of Russia,” General Syrsky said. “Russia’s key objective is to increase the level of combat potential and resume active offensive actions.” His claims about the arrival of new units could not be independently confirmed
#1176
#1177
Both sides are lying to us - that’s called propaganda and is par for the course in any war. Both sides are over claiming gains and under claiming losses.
So your best bet to see what is REALLY going on is to look at all sorts of intel and do the best you can to objectively sort the wheat from the chaff, as much as that may offend fan-boys on either side.
#1178
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2016
Position: Cl65 left
Posts: 175
Anyone with actual eyes on the fighting please tell us what’s going on, by all means. Otherwise it’s indeed, who ARE you going to believe? UK intelligence? US intelligence (the guys who assured us Afghan forces after 20 years of training and support could stand on their own and not fold to the Taliban in THREE FRIGGIN’ DAYS? ). The politicians? The people who believe that 40 year old F-16 A/B models that the Netherlands has been selling off to the Chileans and Jordanians for over ten years (for as little as $4 million each 15 years ago) are going to magically give the Ukrainians air superiority in a high threat environment? Or that 30 Abrams are going to turn the tide of battle?
Both sides are lying to us - that’s called propaganda and is par for the course in any war. Both sides are over claiming gains and under claiming losses.
So your best bet to see what is REALLY going on is to look at all sorts of intel and do the best you can to objectively sort the wheat from the chaff, as much as that may offend fan-boys on either side.
Both sides are lying to us - that’s called propaganda and is par for the course in any war. Both sides are over claiming gains and under claiming losses.
So your best bet to see what is REALLY going on is to look at all sorts of intel and do the best you can to objectively sort the wheat from the chaff, as much as that may offend fan-boys on either side.
Its amazing the western powers have already spent more on this than what they were able to get from their Ukraine money laundering scams! Although maybe the money is still being made through the defense spending scams.
Last edited by T1000; 08-27-2023 at 08:18 AM.
#1179
And another voice heard from…
https://www.theamericanconservative....onder-weapons/
An excerpt:
Yet, unnamed U.S. officials complain that the Ukrainian authorities are too caring of their soldiers’ lives, unwilling to push mass attacks through mine fields and beneath artillery barrages. This despite recognition that Kiev’s forces were ill-prepared and ill-equipped to achieve their objectives: “When Ukraine launched its big counteroffensive this spring, Western military officials knew Kyiv didn’t have all the training or weapons—from shells to warplanes—that it needed to dislodge Russian forces. They hoped Ukrainian courage and resourcefulness would carry the day.” This sounds like a bizarre throwback World War I’s costly “cult of the offensive”.
The judgment that Ukrainians have been insufficiently aggressive, made in safety from across the Atlantic, is chilling:
American officials say they fear that Ukraine has become casualty averse, one reason it has been cautious about pressing ahead with the counteroffensive. Almost any big push against dug-in Russian defenders protected by minefields would result in huge numbers of losses. In just a year and a half, Ukraine’s military deaths have already surpassed the number of American troops who died during the nearly two decades US units were in Vietnam (roughly 58,000) and about equal the number of Afghan security forces killed over the entire war in Afghanistan, from 2001 to 2021 (around 69,000). … And across Ukraine, in big cities and rural villages, almost everyone knows a family that has lost someone in the fighting. Dry flowers from funerals litter quiet roads, and graveyards are filling up in every corner of the country.
The judgment that Ukrainians have been insufficiently aggressive, made in safety from across the Atlantic, is chilling:
American officials say they fear that Ukraine has become casualty averse, one reason it has been cautious about pressing ahead with the counteroffensive. Almost any big push against dug-in Russian defenders protected by minefields would result in huge numbers of losses. In just a year and a half, Ukraine’s military deaths have already surpassed the number of American troops who died during the nearly two decades US units were in Vietnam (roughly 58,000) and about equal the number of Afghan security forces killed over the entire war in Afghanistan, from 2001 to 2021 (around 69,000). … And across Ukraine, in big cities and rural villages, almost everyone knows a family that has lost someone in the fighting. Dry flowers from funerals litter quiet roads, and graveyards are filling up in every corner of the country.
Now even Kiev’s strongest partisans, who continue to insist on their country’s ultimate success, are talking about a conflict that will run into early next year and beyond. TheWall Street Journalreported: “Ukraine’s current campaign to retake territory occupied by Russian forces could still have many months to run. But military strategists and policy makers across the West are already starting to think about next year’s spring offensive. The shift reflects a deepening appreciation that, barring a major breakthrough, Ukraine’s fight to eject Russia’s invasion forces is likely to take a long time.”
#1180
Gets Weekends Off
Thread Starter
Joined APC: Jun 2022
Posts: 1,437
Its pretty funny to watch these russbot vatniks freak out after i just post a one point of data objective statement.
If you follow the war every day, and dont just clickbait somewhere to find a random op ed piece to fit your narrative, you may not look like such a clown by not understanding why robo was important.
If you follow the war every day, and dont just clickbait somewhere to find a random op ed piece to fit your narrative, you may not look like such a clown by not understanding why robo was important.
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post