Increased environmental activism
11-20-2022, 07:28 PM
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I bet it blows your mind when I remind you socialism ends up with very low taxation.
But that would require you to know what socialism is.
11-21-2022, 06:06 AM
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You don't seem to know what socialism is. People like you love to point to the Nordic countries as socialist but they are capitalist.
Socialism ends up with low taxes because the wealth is taken by the "people" aka the government, there is nothing to tax. Nationalizing industry ect.
Anyway this entire thread has drifted. It was originally about brain dead children acting like lunatics because they believe the debunked and laughable predictions of "extinction" because of an unproven theory that humans are causing global warming. They are anti capitalists masquerading as "climate activist"
Shouldn't Miami be under water by now? That was there prediction made in the 90s. Miami under water by 2010.
Socialism ends up with low taxes because the wealth is taken by the "people" aka the government, there is nothing to tax. Nationalizing industry ect.
Anyway this entire thread has drifted. It was originally about brain dead children acting like lunatics because they believe the debunked and laughable predictions of "extinction" because of an unproven theory that humans are causing global warming. They are anti capitalists masquerading as "climate activist"
Shouldn't Miami be under water by now? That was there prediction made in the 90s. Miami under water by 2010.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/biden-s...hare_permalink
An excerpt:
But China emits two-thirds more CO2 than Europe and the U.S. combined. Coal accounts for 60% of China’s power generation, and more new coal plants are set for approval through 2025 than the entire existing U.S. fleet. China says it needs more coal power for energy security and, unlike Europe and the U.S., it won’t commit climate suicide.
11-21-2022, 06:52 AM
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It is sinking. Deeper inland via the canals and invisibly worse underground as freshwater aquifers turn to salt. But when it comes to power v. beach powder, FL's 23 million won't be setting thermostats one degree higher. Rising demand for cheap energy is a given. Making existing power generators uneconomic to pave the way for unproven sources is a bad joke. https://youtu.be/cIWzz6wcNug
11-21-2022, 07:36 AM
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It’s absolutely fascinating to me that hard core extremists on both sides cant see they truly are the same ridiculous propaganda filled sheep, splayed for slaughter to feed the establishment.
The nice thing is that the adults in the room are going to try and get in front of it despite the shenanigans from both sides. This year marked the first time capital investment for renewable energy outpaced those for oil.
Don’t kill your economy, but don’t fall prey to right propaganda
11-21-2022, 07:57 AM
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Oh the irony of this statement. You are the flip side of the same coin.
It’s absolutely fascinating to me that hard core extremists on both sides cant see they truly are the same ridiculous propaganda filled sheep, splayed for slaughter to feed the establishment.
The nice thing is that the adults in the room are going to try and get in front of it despite the shenanigans from both sides. This year marked the first time capital investment for renewable energy outpaced those for oil.
Don’t kill your economy, but don’t fall prey to right propaganda
It’s absolutely fascinating to me that hard core extremists on both sides cant see they truly are the same ridiculous propaganda filled sheep, splayed for slaughter to feed the establishment.
The nice thing is that the adults in the room are going to try and get in front of it despite the shenanigans from both sides. This year marked the first time capital investment for renewable energy outpaced those for oil.
Don’t kill your economy, but don’t fall prey to right propaganda
It’s sort of a heads I win, tails you lose sort of phenomenon mathematically. If the models are right and we do nothing we are screwed. If the models are right and we spend trillions giving it our best effort we are similarly screwed. Personally, I’m a big fan of modern design inherently safe modular nuclear power reactors. Make them here, fuel them, then sell them to China. That might actually be helpful.
11-21-2022, 09:41 AM
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I don’t know about the accuracy (or lack of same) of the global warming models. Frankly, I’m not sure ANYONE knows about the accuracy of the global warming models, but BASED on those global warming models, there is literally NOTHING that the US and Europe can do to offset the expansion of CO2 release from China’s burgeoning coal-fired energy industry. You could reduce the US and European countries industrial CO2 output to zero within five years and that still would not offset the CO2 output increase they are already planning on building over that time.
It’s sort of a heads I win, tails you lose sort of phenomenon mathematically. If the models are right and we do nothing we are screwed. If the models are right and we spend trillions giving it our best effort we are similarly screwed. Personally, I’m a big fan of modern design inherently safe modular nuclear power reactors. Make them here, fuel them, then sell them to China. That might actually be helpful.
It’s sort of a heads I win, tails you lose sort of phenomenon mathematically. If the models are right and we do nothing we are screwed. If the models are right and we spend trillions giving it our best effort we are similarly screwed. Personally, I’m a big fan of modern design inherently safe modular nuclear power reactors. Make them here, fuel them, then sell them to China. That might actually be helpful.
My one point of contention would be the inherent moral conundrum that you are alluding too. Just because we “think” it won’t make a difference, I feel it would. It paves the way through developing institutional knowledge for more efficient and robust networks in struggling nations. It starts the R&D process sooner, etc etc.
There are a lot of reasons to push for this, not just bury your head cause a bunch of selfish aholes on the other side of the planet don’t quite get the potential severity of this yet.
Lead by example, pave the way for the technology, go tii on Walmart and consume….done
11-21-2022, 11:07 AM
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You don't seem to know what socialism is. People like you love to point to the Nordic countries as socialist but they are capitalist.
Socialism ends up with low taxes because the wealth is taken by the "people" aka the government, there is nothing to tax. Nationalizing industry ect.
Anyway this entire thread has drifted. It was originally about brain dead children acting like lunatics because they believe the debunked and laughable predictions of "extinction" because of an unproven theory that humans are causing global warming. They are anti capitalists masquerading as "climate activist"
Shouldn't Miami be under water by now? That was there prediction made in the 90s. Miami under water by 2010.
Socialism ends up with low taxes because the wealth is taken by the "people" aka the government, there is nothing to tax. Nationalizing industry ect.
Anyway this entire thread has drifted. It was originally about brain dead children acting like lunatics because they believe the debunked and laughable predictions of "extinction" because of an unproven theory that humans are causing global warming. They are anti capitalists masquerading as "climate activist"
Shouldn't Miami be under water by now? That was there prediction made in the 90s. Miami under water by 2010.
And yes, Socialism ends up with low taxes. So how is increasing taxes "socialist"?
11-21-2022, 11:38 AM
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A lot of what you say has validity. I like your idea of modular nuclear units going forward.
My one point of contention would be the inherent moral conundrum that you are alluding too. Just because we “think” it won’t make a difference, I feel it would. It paves the way through developing institutional knowledge for more efficient and robust networks in struggling nations. It starts the R&D process sooner, etc etc.
There are a lot of reasons to push for this, not just bury your head cause a bunch of selfish aholes on the other side of the planet don’t quite get the potential severity of this yet.
Lead by example, pave the way for the technology, go tii on Walmart and consume….done
My one point of contention would be the inherent moral conundrum that you are alluding too. Just because we “think” it won’t make a difference, I feel it would. It paves the way through developing institutional knowledge for more efficient and robust networks in struggling nations. It starts the R&D process sooner, etc etc.
There are a lot of reasons to push for this, not just bury your head cause a bunch of selfish aholes on the other side of the planet don’t quite get the potential severity of this yet.
Lead by example, pave the way for the technology, go tii on Walmart and consume….done
China, having accumulated a significant excess of males due to their one-child policy and subsequent patriarchal focused selective abortions may be more inclined to do that than others. Pushing modular inherentl safe nuclear power technology and weaning them off coal seems to be a better prospect than going to war with them to decrease CO2 output. They simply lack the time and resources to go all renewable. Their GDP per capita was less than a fourth ours even before COVID lockdowns.
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