San Francisco declares Monkeypox emergency
08-01-2022, 10:08 AM
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republic, form of government in which a state is ruled by representatives of the citizen body. Modern republics are founded on the idea that sovereignty rests with the people, though who is included and excluded from the category of the people has varied across history. Because citizens do not govern the state themselves but through representatives, republics may be distinguished from direct democracy, though modern representative democracies are by and large republics.
08-01-2022, 10:28 AM
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Good points, Rick, but as we saw after the 2020 election, even with in person paper voting, an absurdly large minority of the country will still think the election was fraudulent or "stolen" if their chosen candidate loses. The seal has been broken on that in our society, and I don't know how we come back from it. I voted for Trump and I'm not ashamed of it, but I can also admit that he lost fair and square. The tin foil hat crowd will just continue to come up with asinine explanations how ballots were moved in the middle of the night or whatever and Trump actually won. It's truly frightening how many people believe that. Last poll I saw was 30-40% of the country IIRC.
I agree that the internet is always ripe for hacking, especially from players like China, Russia, and N. Korea, and online votes are harder to track, but I'm thinking some sort of authenticated SSL system like the IRS uses would work. Frankly, I think paper is easier to manipulate, especially mailed or dropped paper.
Yes, ID needs to be shown to vote. In person, that's easy. Mail in should require a notary and a copy of one's ID. "Signature matching" is voodoo science. It kicks out legitimate votes, and lets in fraudulent votes. We also need a way to keep illegal immigrants from voting, especially in states like IL and CA that give them drivers licenses and welfare benefits and treat them like those here legally.
I agree that the internet is always ripe for hacking, especially from players like China, Russia, and N. Korea, and online votes are harder to track, but I'm thinking some sort of authenticated SSL system like the IRS uses would work. Frankly, I think paper is easier to manipulate, especially mailed or dropped paper.
Yes, ID needs to be shown to vote. In person, that's easy. Mail in should require a notary and a copy of one's ID. "Signature matching" is voodoo science. It kicks out legitimate votes, and lets in fraudulent votes. We also need a way to keep illegal immigrants from voting, especially in states like IL and CA that give them drivers licenses and welfare benefits and treat them like those here legally.
And to get back on the monkey thread: OMG, can we get over all the stupid restrictions/mandates already!?
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08-01-2022, 10:57 AM
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I hear the tin foil hat crowd saying this will be another excuse for mail in voting, or to disrupt the election, or to mandate masks and vaccines, but I think that's BS.
08-01-2022, 11:28 AM
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Is anyone actually talking about lockdowns or mandatory vaccines due to monkeypox? I haven't heard it. So far this seems confined to the gay community, and if you're not going to gay raves or orgies, and not hooking up with a gay or bi dude, you probably shouldn't be concerned. Am I wrong?
I hear the tin foil hat crowd saying this will be another excuse for mail in voting, or to disrupt the election, or to mandate masks and vaccines, but I think that's BS.
I hear the tin foil hat crowd saying this will be another excuse for mail in voting, or to disrupt the election, or to mandate masks and vaccines, but I think that's BS.
Democrats, doing the wrong thing for the right reasons.
Republicans, doing the wrong thing for the wrong reasons.
Pretty sure more mandates will come, either for monkey or COVID. Especially in D states
08-01-2022, 12:22 PM
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Too soon for mandates. Even Liberals know that. Possibly after the incumbent primaries in overly Blue areas.
08-01-2022, 12:33 PM
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I don't have time to go point by point on what I disagree with in this post but there is a lot of information that is incorrect. I don't have a problem with paper back up voting machines. But I do have a problem saying that because people are ignorant of technology that it is inherently bad for the process. I vote for my ALPA rep and contracts in a government approved voting system and there has never been any indication that there is rampant fraud on that system. It arguably has far more an impact on my life than a national election ever will.
As far as voter ID, I agree with it in principle but it's incredibly poorly executed. It takes FAR longer than 20-30 minutes to get one. Some states have very onerous and relatively expensive processes to get a non-driver ID. Many places the offices that issue IDs are only open until 5P on weekdays and for many people, it's impossible to get an ID outside that window. For others, getting required documentation requires hours long drives to records offices. And a fairly steep fee to acquire. I've waited in line at my DMV for 2 hours to renew my license but I have that kind of time. The kinds of IDs that are accepted are also sometimes nonsensical. Plus, if I lost my ID in my state prior to the election, the temporary ID issued by state does not qualify.
I could go on but cannot.
As far as voter ID, I agree with it in principle but it's incredibly poorly executed. It takes FAR longer than 20-30 minutes to get one. Some states have very onerous and relatively expensive processes to get a non-driver ID. Many places the offices that issue IDs are only open until 5P on weekdays and for many people, it's impossible to get an ID outside that window. For others, getting required documentation requires hours long drives to records offices. And a fairly steep fee to acquire. I've waited in line at my DMV for 2 hours to renew my license but I have that kind of time. The kinds of IDs that are accepted are also sometimes nonsensical. Plus, if I lost my ID in my state prior to the election, the temporary ID issued by state does not qualify.
I could go on but cannot.
08-01-2022, 01:34 PM
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I'll let you look up opposites on your own, but if you're using republic and democracy as opposites, you don't know what that word means..
republic, form of government in which a state is ruled by representatives of the citizen body. Modern republics are founded on the idea that sovereignty rests with the people, though who is included and excluded from the category of the people has varied across history. Because citizens do not govern the state themselves but through representatives, republics may be distinguished from direct democracy, though modern representative democracies are by and large republics.
republic, form of government in which a state is ruled by representatives of the citizen body. Modern republics are founded on the idea that sovereignty rests with the people, though who is included and excluded from the category of the people has varied across history. Because citizens do not govern the state themselves but through representatives, republics may be distinguished from direct democracy, though modern representative democracies are by and large republics.
A democracy means the minority has zero rights, or only the rights the majority decides they have. A republic respects the primacy of the individual (as you alluded to) and the minority has natural rights inherit in their humanity whether the majority decides they do or not.
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