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06-11-2007, 08:14 PM
#72
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So is that why AMR has 2 companies? AA and AE.... It's called Supply and Demand! Weather you agree or not the RJ is the future of Aviation in the US. If the Scope clause don't end soon IMO, you'll have 20year Captains of the E145 who's won't make more money because of the guys who's making all the money are afraid that their pay will go down.
When it could cause their pay to go up. Their company is making more Money flying an aircraft that carries 50pax and making $30 per seat mile as opposed to flying an aircraft 0f 200pax operating at $1per seat mile. It just makes more Sense
When it could cause their pay to go up. Their company is making more Money flying an aircraft that carries 50pax and making $30 per seat mile as opposed to flying an aircraft 0f 200pax operating at $1per seat mile. It just makes more Sense
06-11-2007, 08:18 PM
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You're not trying to help me out sir. I'm a rational thinker! What you're suggesting is the that Mainline pilots are saying Better them than Me...
Here's what's happening though!!! The Majors are making money off the Regionals, the Regionals are STILL making money... Can you see through it that if the Mainline flew the routes they'll MAKE MORE money for the Company. Hence Higher pay for the Pilots? There won't be a you pay me I'll pay them thing going on.
Here's what's happening though!!! The Majors are making money off the Regionals, the Regionals are STILL making money... Can you see through it that if the Mainline flew the routes they'll MAKE MORE money for the Company. Hence Higher pay for the Pilots? There won't be a you pay me I'll pay them thing going on.
You also misunderstand the management perspective, which surprises me. It's cheaper to have the regionals fly those routes so they contract those routes to the regionals.
If managment would agree to pay mainline rates for those routes the pilot groups would jump all over it.
How about we get rid of scope and pay the regionals to get 777s and fly JFK-NRT??? Are you getting it yet?
06-11-2007, 08:19 PM
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It's not about protection it's about Aircraft and the amount of money they make for a company. I think I'm the only one here who realize how much money the Regionals flights are making. When U can pay a company to fly a route for you, you're still making money and the other company is making enough to turn a profit too!???? Am I the only one who see this
06-11-2007, 08:19 PM
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You're not trying to help me out sir. I'm a rational thinker! What you're suggesting is the that Mainline pilots are saying Better them than Me...
Here's what's happening though!!! The Majors are making money off the Regionals, the Regionals are STILL making money... Can you see through it that if the Mainline flew the routes they'll MAKE MORE money for the Company. Hence Higher pay for the Pilots? There won't be a you pay me I'll pay them thing going on.
Here's what's happening though!!! The Majors are making money off the Regionals, the Regionals are STILL making money... Can you see through it that if the Mainline flew the routes they'll MAKE MORE money for the Company. Hence Higher pay for the Pilots? There won't be a you pay me I'll pay them thing going on.
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06-11-2007, 08:19 PM
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So is that why AMR has 2 companies? AA and AE.... It's called Supply and Demand! Weather you agree or not the RJ is the future of Aviation in the US. If the Scope clause don't end soon IMO, you'll have 20year Captains of the E145 who's won't make more money because of the guys who's making all the money are afraid that their pay will go down
06-11-2007, 08:22 PM
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Good god man, scope does not prevent an airline from buying 50 seat airplanes and using mainline pilots to fly them.
Furthermore, it is impossible to make money in a 50 seat RJ without some sort of subsidy, fee-for-departure, etc.
The future of the airlines is apparently guys like me wasting my KIX layover to try and educate you.
Furthermore, it is impossible to make money in a 50 seat RJ without some sort of subsidy, fee-for-departure, etc.
The future of the airlines is apparently guys like me wasting my KIX layover to try and educate you.
06-11-2007, 08:22 PM
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107 hours and you have apparently figured it all out. You should get Gerry, Herb and Fred on the phone and tell him how it's done since you obviously know what's up.
Before you bash the pilots for the race to the bottom take a look at what you're doing with your fasttrack program. Something about glass houses and throwing rocks seems to come to the forefront.
Before you bash the pilots for the race to the bottom take a look at what you're doing with your fasttrack program. Something about glass houses and throwing rocks seems to come to the forefront.
06-11-2007, 08:23 PM
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It's not about protection it's about Aircraft and the amount of money they make for a company. I think I'm the only one here who realize how much money the Regionals flights are making. When U can pay a company to fly a route for you, you're still making money and the other company is making enough to turn a profit too!???? Am I the only one who see this
06-11-2007, 08:23 PM
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Once again you are misunderstanding the intentions of the pilot groups. If they COULD fly those routes they WOULD. You seem to think that major guys are saying that they won't fly a specific route or airplane because it's below them. It's the pay that is below them.
You also misunderstand the management perspective, which surprises me. It's cheaper to have the regionals fly those routes so they contract those routes to the regionals.
If managment would agree to pay mainline rates for those routes the pilot groups would jump all over it.
How about we get rid of scope and pay the regionals to get 777s and fly JFK-NRT??? Are you getting it yet?
You also misunderstand the management perspective, which surprises me. It's cheaper to have the regionals fly those routes so they contract those routes to the regionals.
If managment would agree to pay mainline rates for those routes the pilot groups would jump all over it.
How about we get rid of scope and pay the regionals to get 777s and fly JFK-NRT??? Are you getting it yet?
