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06-11-2007, 09:39 PM
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Well I was being Defensive because People were insulting me Suggesting I get a refund for my degree and so forth. I'm not a dummy by no means and Don't appreciate people insulting my intelligence. I'm relatively new to the Business. I haven't been here long. Just because you've been flyin for 5-20years dosen't mean you're the smartest guy in the world. I may have said some things in the post that I shouldn't have but by all means, I'm no dummy
06-11-2007, 09:41 PM
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The only question I had was..... Is scope clauses hurting Pilots as a group?? Because mainline guys won't accept a lower pay. Does this cause Pilots of the Regionals to Make LESS than if the aircraft was operated by the Mainline Pilots.
06-11-2007, 09:44 PM
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What I'm trying to say is if Pilots of the Mainline Eliminated the Scope Clauses. There would be a demand to operate the aircraft, from the Pilots of the Regionals. What I was trying to understand if Eliminating Scope Clauses will cause Pay to go up for Pilots in the regionals. As a group who's doing the same thing I would think we'll make the decision to help everyone??? I not sure If I'm making sense anymore!
06-11-2007, 09:44 PM
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No, you have to think long term. Regionals will always make less no matter what the scope clause says...the fight is to not let wages drop at the top, where someday (with a lot of luck) we will all be.
06-11-2007, 09:47 PM
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What I'm trying to say is if Pilots of the Mainline Eliminated the Scope Clauses. There would be a demand to operate the aircraft, from the Pilots of the Regionals. What I was trying to understand if Eliminating Scope Clauses will cause Pay to go up for Pilots in the regionals. As a group who's doing the same thing I would think we'll make the decision to help everyone??? I not sure If I'm making sense anymore!
06-11-2007, 09:48 PM
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06-11-2007, 09:52 PM
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Negative, it is protecting pilots as a group. It would actually behoove a regional airline pilot group to have scope and other protection in their contract as well.
Example, Mesa flies RJs. Jonathan Ornstein, CEO, doesn't want to pay Mesa guys more money to fly bigger RJs. JO creates alter ego airline called Freedom to fly bigger RJs and circumvent Mesa's contract.
Would a scope clause have prevented this? Probably not because the routes weren't technically owned by Mesa. But scope and succesorship provisions would help a company like XJET, who is operating independently.
The way to raise regional pay is for guys to do it at the local level, at their own airline. Hence the union drive at SkyWest. You saw the balance sheet, perfect fodder for a contract and a big pay raise.
Example, Mesa flies RJs. Jonathan Ornstein, CEO, doesn't want to pay Mesa guys more money to fly bigger RJs. JO creates alter ego airline called Freedom to fly bigger RJs and circumvent Mesa's contract.
Would a scope clause have prevented this? Probably not because the routes weren't technically owned by Mesa. But scope and succesorship provisions would help a company like XJET, who is operating independently.
The way to raise regional pay is for guys to do it at the local level, at their own airline. Hence the union drive at SkyWest. You saw the balance sheet, perfect fodder for a contract and a big pay raise.
