rickair7777

Navy reserve is the exception, they are all over the map. It also has almost no hardware force structure, mostly staff augment units so you can fly in late Fri night and be back home for a late dinner on Sun.

Army (and to an extent Marine) reserve tends to be more local because their weekends start at 1800 on Fri and end at 2200 on Sun, with a field ops in the middle. Also with the hardware, more office work between drill weekends.

Excargodog

Former military members - especially retired ones - have more in common with each other than they do with whatever their ethnic group of origin. That’s my experience anyway. If you’ve known one retired Marine Gunnery Sergeant you’ve pretty much known them all.

Navy Chiefs are almost as bad...

AirbusPTC

"The slaves had a right to leave their owners". According to whom? Slaves were property right? They had no legal rights, and leaving was prohibited by many laws at the time, and the punishment was losing a foot (if you were lucky).

The cause of the Civil War was slavery period. If there was NO slavery, then there would have been no secession and no war. Therefore slavery was the primary cause of the war. Even the ultra "right-wing" Prager U agrees with me.

The Declaration of Independence does talk about natural law, but it's just that...talk. Natural law doesn't help much after they chop of your whole foot. For more concrete law we look to the Constitution where Article One, Sec. 2, declares that for the purposes of representation in Congress, enslaved blacks in a state would be counted as 3/5's of the number of white inhabitants of that state. Not to mention the "Slave Codes" that governed the lives of slaves. They were property...I could go on but we don't seem to be getting anywhere here.

rickair7777

Yes slavery was the root cause. But it's absolutely worth considering the chain of dominoes...

Concerns about abolition led the south to preemptively exercise states' rights and secede. That's the key takeaway: pushed far enough individual states might get froggy about state's rights.

If the issue in question is a clear constitutional fault line (slavery was not), that adds fuel to the fire.

The CSA knew darn well they were leaving the USA. But a future secession state might believe that THEY are the legitimate USA and are leaving an unconstitutional tyranny. Easier sell, both to the people and your own conscience. Also leaves open the possibility that leaving isn't good enough, rather you have an obligation to actually overthrow said tyranny.

firefighterplt

Cue the ‘Navy Chief Starter Pack’ meme...

SonicFlyer

Natural law. Every individual has a right to be free so long as they aren't hurting someone else. Also yes everyone is property, but its a question of who owns you. Do you own yourself or does someone else own you?



No, it wasn't. You have failed logic or reading comprehension.


Incorrect. Slavery wasnt the only reason for secession. Yes it was a major reason, but there were other very large reasons too.



Actually the Declaration was codified into law by Congress.

AirbusPTC

I think we're done here. When you said, "the slaves had a right to leave their owners. It's the natural right of every human." that encapsulates the ridiculousness of your position. You refuse to look at the reality of the root cause of the Civil War because it doesn't fit your narrative of Southern heritage and history...got it. You'll just keep saying the same nonsensical phrases about secession being the cause of the Civil War...skipping the reason for the secession speeches and votes in the first place. No slavery, no secession period, est radix causa of war was slavery. ...and I'll bet you believe the Confederate flag is not a symbol of hate and violence...right? Geez...but hey have a great week,

galaxy flyer

simple question: are rights gifts from the government OR are rights unalienable endowed by...?. Because that’s the crux of the argument, were slaves deprived of rights by majority vote or did the government not give the slaves rights?

GogglesPisano

Rights are artificial constructs. Just like crimes. Or civic responsibilities. They exist nowhere else in nature other than in human civilization — especially later, more advanced civilizations. They are therefore bestowed by the collective will — government.

galaxy flyer

Well, golly, the “collective will“ decided slavery was just fine by them and enslaved people. Majoritarian government at its finest. I don’t see why it couldn’t happen again.

I’d guess you’d have no problem with the majority voting your property rights away or saying people shouldn’t earn 73NA pay?