Virus now attacking 30-50 year olds
03-19-2020, 04:32 AM
#12
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They’ve got to work hard to scare the groups that have seen the data and that their risks are minimal and are using that to continue with their daily lives.
Can’t have young people out and about when they’ve been ordered by their betters to cower in fear, damn whatever the data may say.
Can’t have young people out and about when they’ve been ordered by their betters to cower in fear, damn whatever the data may say.
03-19-2020, 05:29 AM
#13
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For what it's worth...
Good friends with a PICU MD here in AZ. He is reporting the same thing and science hasn't been able to determine why yet, it's still early.
Also, have a 22y/o son that lives here in town and appears to have it. Strapping, healthy and athletic... or at least was. He's been hard down for about 5 days now. PICU doc has arranged testing tomorrow.
Good friends with a PICU MD here in AZ. He is reporting the same thing and science hasn't been able to determine why yet, it's still early.
Also, have a 22y/o son that lives here in town and appears to have it. Strapping, healthy and athletic... or at least was. He's been hard down for about 5 days now. PICU doc has arranged testing tomorrow.
03-19-2020, 08:41 AM
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There are several threads on here where I have seen pilots criticize the dumb general public when they make rash comments about plane crashes (which I completely agree with the pilots in doing so). One of the common discussions on those threads is how little the general public knows/understands about aircrafts/flying. Which I completely agree with.
However now, so many non healthcare professionals (pilots) make comments saying this is not that bad, or it is just like the flu/cold etc. If the CDC and US government are saying it is a big deal and are shutting things down, it would seem to be something we should take serious. Its not just the US, many other countries have shut things down.
However now, so many non healthcare professionals (pilots) make comments saying this is not that bad, or it is just like the flu/cold etc. If the CDC and US government are saying it is a big deal and are shutting things down, it would seem to be something we should take serious. Its not just the US, many other countries have shut things down.
03-19-2020, 09:06 AM
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However now, so many non healthcare professionals (pilots) make comments saying this is not that bad, or it is just like the flu/cold etc. If the CDC and US government are saying it is a big deal and are shutting things down, it would seem to be something we should take serious. Its not just the US, many other countries have shut things down.
1. They can limit their response, in the interest of preserving the economy, but then they will get blamed for any and all bad outcomes, regardless of how insignificant in the grand scheme.
2. Or they can go more draconian, knowing society and the economy will take a hit, but hoping they can spin themselves as saviors when the dust settles.
A competent, and relatively benign totalitarian regime might actually have an advantage in dealing with something like this... take the right measures balancing safety with economics without worrying so much about a public-hysteria feeding frenzy. Not advocating that of course, just pointing out that democracy is not always perfect.
I had dinner with a group of my neighbors last night (all physicians), they think whole thing is over-blown.
03-19-2020, 09:25 AM
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Politicians are caught in a bind, especially since other nations are taking draconian measures...
1. They can limit their response, in the interest of preserving the economy, but then they will get blamed for any and all bad outcomes, regardless of how insignificant in the grand scheme.
2. Or they can go more draconian, knowing society and the economy will take a hit, but hoping they can spin themselves as saviors when the dust settles.
A competent, and relatively benign totalitarian regime might actually have an advantage in dealing with something like this... take the right measures balancing safety with economics without worrying so much about a public-hysteria feeding frenzy. Not advocating that of course, just pointing out that democracy is not always perfect.
I had dinner with a group of my neighbors last night (all physicians), they think whole thing is over-blown.
1. They can limit their response, in the interest of preserving the economy, but then they will get blamed for any and all bad outcomes, regardless of how insignificant in the grand scheme.
2. Or they can go more draconian, knowing society and the economy will take a hit, but hoping they can spin themselves as saviors when the dust settles.
A competent, and relatively benign totalitarian regime might actually have an advantage in dealing with something like this... take the right measures balancing safety with economics without worrying so much about a public-hysteria feeding frenzy. Not advocating that of course, just pointing out that democracy is not always perfect.
I had dinner with a group of my neighbors last night (all physicians), they think whole thing is over-blown.
how often do pilots completely misunderstand how their own business works?
03-19-2020, 09:56 AM
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from another apc thread:
First hand account from a pilot who contracted the Coronavirus and is under the age of 50. They have removed his name to protect his identity.
But said it was ok to share his experience:
Today I was diagnosed with having a moderate case of the COVID virus. I am not sharing this for any sympathy or get wells, but to share my firsthand experience of what this is like so that those who keep spreading false information and downplaying the severity of this virus can be better informed.
Due to government protocols that essentially make only the most severe cases allowed to be tested, I was only tested for flu and other infections to rule those out. Moderate cases like mine, or less, are not allowed to be tested and thus do not get added to the numbers of officially diagnosed.
I had to wait most of the day to be given a slot to see a doctor. And only then was I given one because my respiratory distress was progressing. Speaking of symptoms. I am lucky that I have not gotten a bad fever yet, but I have had significant breathing issues. I am not an at risk patient with pre-existing conditions. In fact, I am in good shape (I play full soccer games multiple times a week) and I am not overweight.
Yet, these symptoms even in a moderate case are brutal. I have never felt anything like this in my life. Just walking and talking was leaving me gasping for air. When I would cough I was left so breathless that I even passed out a couple times after gasping for air. It took multiple medicines to only make my breathing feel labored. I have also been told that it will very likely be many months until my lung damage heals.
All of this and there are still not many cases in my area. If the outbreak had gone uncontained like it did in parts of Italy and I would be unable to see a doctor I would hate to imagine what would have happened. During my 2 hours at the ER I heard 2 Code Blue's in the COVID ward.
So for those that keep spreading false information and propaganda just stop. For those bemoaning this as a just a glorified flu just stop. This is not fun for anyone, our industry's economic health cratering is not fun, but you know what is not fun, seeing comments and posts saying that I just have a "bad flu".
But said it was ok to share his experience:
Today I was diagnosed with having a moderate case of the COVID virus. I am not sharing this for any sympathy or get wells, but to share my firsthand experience of what this is like so that those who keep spreading false information and downplaying the severity of this virus can be better informed.
Due to government protocols that essentially make only the most severe cases allowed to be tested, I was only tested for flu and other infections to rule those out. Moderate cases like mine, or less, are not allowed to be tested and thus do not get added to the numbers of officially diagnosed.
I had to wait most of the day to be given a slot to see a doctor. And only then was I given one because my respiratory distress was progressing. Speaking of symptoms. I am lucky that I have not gotten a bad fever yet, but I have had significant breathing issues. I am not an at risk patient with pre-existing conditions. In fact, I am in good shape (I play full soccer games multiple times a week) and I am not overweight.
Yet, these symptoms even in a moderate case are brutal. I have never felt anything like this in my life. Just walking and talking was leaving me gasping for air. When I would cough I was left so breathless that I even passed out a couple times after gasping for air. It took multiple medicines to only make my breathing feel labored. I have also been told that it will very likely be many months until my lung damage heals.
All of this and there are still not many cases in my area. If the outbreak had gone uncontained like it did in parts of Italy and I would be unable to see a doctor I would hate to imagine what would have happened. During my 2 hours at the ER I heard 2 Code Blue's in the COVID ward.
So for those that keep spreading false information and propaganda just stop. For those bemoaning this as a just a glorified flu just stop. This is not fun for anyone, our industry's economic health cratering is not fun, but you know what is not fun, seeing comments and posts saying that I just have a "bad flu".
03-19-2020, 10:40 AM
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Virus now attacking 30-50 year olds
There are several threads on here where I have seen pilots criticize the dumb general public when they make rash comments about plane crashes (which I completely agree with the pilots in doing so). One of the common discussions on those threads is how little the general public knows/understands about aircrafts/flying. Which I completely agree with.
However now, so many non healthcare professionals (pilots) make comments saying this is not that bad, or it is just like the flu/cold etc. If the CDC and US government are saying it is a big deal and are shutting things down, it would seem to be something we should take serious. Its not just the US, many other countries have shut things down.
However now, so many non healthcare professionals (pilots) make comments saying this is not that bad, or it is just like the flu/cold etc. If the CDC and US government are saying it is a big deal and are shutting things down, it would seem to be something we should take serious. Its not just the US, many other countries have shut things down.
I don’t think anyone is saying “it’s not that bad” anymore, but it’s still fair and valid for non-doctors to question wether or not the societal “cures” (IRT economic impacts) are worse than the disease. Not only will we (pilots) all be gravely impacted, but such a large portion of our most vulnerable population (e.g. restaurant workers) are hosed. So we get past this, but what happens when little Johnny gets an unrelated illness in September but parents can no longer afford health care?
And what about the long term impacts of these gov’t bailout “easy” buttons? We talk as if govt bailouts (not just airlines) will solve everything, but what about the resultant debt and devaluation of our currency? How many will that gravely impact through second and third order effects? General Mattis once said that our nation’s fiscal mess (debt) is our biggest security threat (or something to that effect.) Its worth discussing and not just shooting down with “quarantine shaming.”
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03-19-2020, 11:01 AM
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Ironically I got sick on my last trip (which included PDX) and it didn't hit me till the day I got home. Heavy cough, muscle aches and massive headaches since last Tuesday. My fever never went above 100 so they refused to test me for the Corona Cooties. So here I sit in quarantine at home for the next few weeks. They think it's either a "mild" case of the flu or seasonal allergies.
03-19-2020, 11:24 AM
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I don’t think anyone is saying “it’s not that bad” anymore, but it’s still fair and valid for non-doctors to question wether or not the societal “cures” (IRT economic impacts) are worse than the disease. Not only will we (pilots) all be gravely impacted, but such a large portion of our most vulnerable population (e.g. restaurant workers) are hosed. So we get past this, but what happens when little Johnny gets an unrelated illness in September but parents can no longer afford health care?
And what about the long term impacts of these gov’t bailout “easy” buttons? We talk as if govt bailouts (not just airlines) will solve everything, but what about the resultant debt and devaluation of our currency? How many will that gravely impact through second and third order effects? General Mattis once said that our nation’s fiscal mess (debt) is our biggest security threat (or something to that effect.) Its worth discussing and not just shooting down with “quarantine shaming.”
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And what about the long term impacts of these gov’t bailout “easy” buttons? We talk as if govt bailouts (not just airlines) will solve everything, but what about the resultant debt and devaluation of our currency? How many will that gravely impact through second and third order effects? General Mattis once said that our nation’s fiscal mess (debt) is our biggest security threat (or something to that effect.) Its worth discussing and not just shooting down with “quarantine shaming.”
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And yes, there still are lots of people downplaying the severity of the virus. I have seen this both on forums and at work.
I doubt the administration would not be making the extreme measures they have been, without consideration from medical experts looking at many more facts than you, the media, and me have. I don't believe Trump wanted to destroy all the progress the economy has made over the last several years.
The virus tearing through the country unchecked would most likely have a much larger impact on the economy/recovery.
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