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11-19-2019, 08:02 AM
#571
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I've never jumpseated on a -200 but appreciate the insights if I ever do. As a captain now I've always felt it a nice courtesy to give unfamiliar jumpseaters a heads up if there's any "different" features of the plane that they might appreciate knowing.
For example on the 717 every time you are within 1000' of your assigned altitude the airplane loudly announces "Altitude!" In the 88 (if I remember correctly) that means you just deviated 300 feet from your current altitude! First time I heard that in the sim I wondered what just happened. So I always briefed jumpseaters ahead of time that no, we didn't just have an altitude deviation every time he hears that.
For example on the 717 every time you are within 1000' of your assigned altitude the airplane loudly announces "Altitude!" In the 88 (if I remember correctly) that means you just deviated 300 feet from your current altitude! First time I heard that in the sim I wondered what just happened. So I always briefed jumpseaters ahead of time that no, we didn't just have an altitude deviation every time he hears that.
11-19-2019, 09:51 AM
#572
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I have always considered the jumpseater "additional crew." Even had one save us from an altitude bust once. Calling an abort? No bueno.
11-19-2019, 01:16 PM
#575
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Not good. That said, the first time I rode in an MD-80 jumpseat I asked about an "ART INOP" amber caution light that was illuminated. Its a normal indication when doing a FLEX takeoff, but I'd never seen it before. The Captain explained it to me.
I have always considered the jumpseater "additional crew." Even had one save us from an altitude bust once. Calling an abort? No bueno.
I have always considered the jumpseater "additional crew." Even had one save us from an altitude bust once. Calling an abort? No bueno.
11-19-2019, 01:36 PM
#576
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Had a similar event, with an overseas carrier. The potential jumpseater was a wet behind the ears newbie. Strike one... he questioned us about MELs, flight plan, fuel load. Then said I’m riding on the jump seat with you lads to XXXX.
OK the kid was youngster was a 30,000 hour inexperienced individual with less than 1,000 hours in his log book. I requested to view his credentials... ID, license, passport, and medical. His response was “No need, I’m a company F/O.”... He was a two striper, a cadet. That was strike two. I didn’t wait for strike three. Then was not the time to lecture the individual about etiquette.
I told him “You’re invited to deplane. Do not attempt to take a seat in the passenger cabin”. I called the Purser to the front and advised her that the youngster decided not to ride with us and can should be escorted to the main entry way.
Called the base captain, and advised him of the event. End result... the youngster was counseled on the matter and the importance of etiquette and how the cockpit, forward of the jump seat is sacrosanct.
OK the kid was youngster was a 30,000 hour inexperienced individual with less than 1,000 hours in his log book. I requested to view his credentials... ID, license, passport, and medical. His response was “No need, I’m a company F/O.”... He was a two striper, a cadet. That was strike two. I didn’t wait for strike three. Then was not the time to lecture the individual about etiquette.
I told him “You’re invited to deplane. Do not attempt to take a seat in the passenger cabin”. I called the Purser to the front and advised her that the youngster decided not to ride with us and can should be escorted to the main entry way.
Called the base captain, and advised him of the event. End result... the youngster was counseled on the matter and the importance of etiquette and how the cockpit, forward of the jump seat is sacrosanct.
11-19-2019, 01:42 PM
#577
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11-19-2019, 01:44 PM
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11-19-2019, 02:26 PM
#579
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Interesting that you read it that way. I read it as know it all newbie that’s was trying to impress with their knowledge and a fragile ego Captain lacking the capacity to mentor. I think all that was accomplished was a folly of CRM. If ever paired together the new guy will be more than happy to let that captain get violated given the opportunity. Not that the pilot in this example would ever make a mistake 😜
11-19-2019, 03:17 PM
#580
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