m3113n1a1

Yikes. Did you abort?

vessbot

That "you're also crew so please speak up" that's sometimes briefed, there's something to it. Calling an abort is not one of those things, but being kept abreast of "awkward" messages probably is. (Also, the latter might help to prevent the former)

vessbot

Yeah, I can see the gentle touch (in letting him ride) being prudent in the cooling off period of what happened. But I hope he was at least set straight after disrespecting you. You can still let him ride without grimacing inwardly.

DarkSideMoon

We had a go-around once because a mainline jumpseater called one. Crew executed a go around because they thought there was a traffic conflict or something that they didn’t see. Turns out the jumpseater thought they were unstable and were going to land on the nose.

Spoiler- they weren’t. It’s a -200. They’re supposed to land like that. If I see a traffic conflict or something I’m going to speak up, but I’m not calling a go-around in an airplane I don’t fly just because it looks weird.

vessbot

Agreed, I'd also file calling a goaround as "not one of those things." (excepting some extreme unforeseen circumstance)

freezingflyboy

Let me guess, EMB 145?

Had a similar experience with a jumpseater. High oil pressure on the take off roll. Except our guy has the courtesy to wait till 10,000 feet. No sooner had I chimed the cabin and he goes "uh guys...are you gonna run the procedure for that high oil pressure?" I look back and shake my head and assure him "there's no procedure, just a limitation. As long as it's back in the normal range within 5 minutes, it's considered normal." But I can tell the jumpseater is uncomfortable and unsatisfied by what I thought was a reasonable answer. A few minutes later he pipes up again. "But you should probably still write it up. Right, Captain?" I chuckle but then look back and realize he is serious and looking rather uncomfortable. "Write what up? That the oil pressure was momentarily high on take off and made the jumpseater nervous but returned to normal before the wheels were in the wells, never even approaching published limitations? Nah. I don't think so."

rickair7777

Not the only time that's happened on the deuce. I used to brief the flare sight-picture, as well as MEL's which were going to produce spurious master alarms. Learned both the hard way.

vessbot

The deuce is always a step ahead, it doesn't need MEL's to produce spurious master alarms!

ShyGuy

I don’t think I’d call an abort in a jumpseat on a plane I know nothing of. Ouch.


Once on a Republic jumpseat E175, T/O power applied and I hear a crashing noise behind me. Turn in my seat, door is open. CA says continuing. I was able to wiggle my arm in a contortionist manner to grab the knob and ring the door back. Left arm, non dominant. Then we rotate and I fully appreciate the weight of this door. Expletive uttered under breath. I can’t hold this long. We get to a 1,000 ft and the CA goes, “you got it shut?” I say yeah but not for long! He pushes some button on the center pedestal and says okay it’s good now, locked. So I let go. For a second I thought I had effed up by not closing the door properly, but he said they have to push a button to lock it so it wasn’t my fault. Phew!

highfarfast

Honestly, I wasn’t one of the crew. It was something covered during recurrent because we had had a rash of unnecessary aborts (we call it rejects now, lol) and the combination of this one message and some direct entry captains were the primary cause... BUT this story did make the rounds. And yes, the crew did abort.

And when you think about it, wouldn’t you? You don’t know why the guy sitting behind you starts saying “abort, abort, abort”. You execute the abort and THEN ask what happened.

But yeah, as a jumpseater I’m probably NOT calling abort for an EICAS caution message, ESPECIALLY when I see the crew reacting to the message which, for us, is something similar to tapping the master caution button, tapping the timer button, and saying “pressure noted”.

So yeah MTOTD I think applies for this United jumpseater. I only mentioned it because OOfff’s post was WAY too related.