Major Tool Of The Day
11-11-2019, 07:11 AM
#481
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DAL guy is vindicated, ground was asking the regional pilots if they could help with a 175. Regional guys said no, so he offered at that point.
Since ATC asked for help I'll give him a pass for asking about the QRH, maybe just wanted to know where they were in the process.
Since ATC asked for help I'll give him a pass for asking about the QRH, maybe just wanted to know where they were in the process.
I actually see both sides. Ground is trying to do anything that might help two pilots who were obviously in a fight for their very lives and had their hands full. He was told to monitor but jumps in pretty early, asking if they ran the QRH didn’t help in any way because if they had the free hands to do it they would have done it, but couldn’t because they were busy flying the aircraft and it took both of their strength just to keep the nose down.
I heard a guy that was just trying to help, unfortunately, the help he provided was worthless to them at the time, and could have been more distraction than it was worth.
11-11-2019, 07:51 AM
#484
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Joined APC: Sep 2015
Position: UNA
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i have to agree, ground was asking for help and after seeing the radar and voice combo put together i can see why, republic guys did a fantastic job but as an observer we can only try to help. after 2 smoking hole accidents due to trim runaways recently i think we are all aware of how fast things can go bad and want to keep that from happening. after hearing the ground recording i dont think DL was being tool-ish, just trying to remember a plane he used to fly and see where they were. I bet the DL guy wishes he could re word his question though.
11-11-2019, 08:18 AM
#486
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Joined APC: Jan 2006
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Nope. Still a tool. It was a legacy pilot trying to help, I mean questioning a couple of regional pilots on their ability to fly their aircraft, and that’s a no no.
I actually see both sides. Ground is trying to do anything that might help two pilots who were obviously in a fight for their very lives and had their hands full. He was told to monitor but jumps in pretty early, asking if they ran the QRH didn’t help in any way because if they had the free hands to do it they would have done it, but couldn’t because they were busy flying the aircraft and it took both of their strength just to keep the nose down.
I heard a guy that was just trying to help, unfortunately, the help he provided was worthless to them at the time, and could have been more distraction than it was worth.
I actually see both sides. Ground is trying to do anything that might help two pilots who were obviously in a fight for their very lives and had their hands full. He was told to monitor but jumps in pretty early, asking if they ran the QRH didn’t help in any way because if they had the free hands to do it they would have done it, but couldn’t because they were busy flying the aircraft and it took both of their strength just to keep the nose down.
I heard a guy that was just trying to help, unfortunately, the help he provided was worthless to them at the time, and could have been more distraction than it was worth.
I'm not going to monday-morning a guy who got put on the spot.
11-11-2019, 09:00 AM
#488
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Joined APC: Jun 2016
Posts: 434
here is the ground recording. starts at 13:50
https://archive-server.liveatc.net/k...2019-0200Z.mp3
https://archive-server.liveatc.net/k...2019-0200Z.mp3
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