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Old 08-04-2019, 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by 80emb145
In what way? Unless it’s sarcasm, which I can’t tell if it is or not.
Addiction to alcohol is the same as any other addiction. It affects all sorts of people, not just what we perceive as “dirty junkies”. To be crystal clear....I’m not referring to the current GLA situation. There are no facts, and it’s not my place to speculate. I was responding to that particular poster’s hypocrisy when it comes to the perceived “value” of a person. It would seem that addiction to an illegal substance makes you worthless.....whereas addiction to a legal substance is just an unfortunate circumstance....especially if you happen to be a professional with a good job. My opinion is that they are one and the same. If the point still isn’t clear.....rest assured, I’m not calling the alcoholic pilots worthless junkies.
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Old 08-04-2019, 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by PhantomHawk
Addiction to alcohol is the same as any other addiction. It affects all sorts of people, not just what we perceive as “dirty junkies”. To be crystal clear....I’m not referring to the current GLA situation. There are no facts, and it’s not my place to speculate. I was responding to that particular poster’s hypocrisy when it comes to the perceived “value” of a person. It would seem that addiction to an illegal substance makes you worthless.....whereas addiction to a legal substance is just an unfortunate circumstance....especially if you happen to be a professional with a good job. My opinion is that they are one and the same. If the point still isn’t clear.....rest assured, I’m not calling the alcoholic pilots worthless junkies.
Pretty spot on, pointing out the hypocrisy.

Just as she would have never expected that pilot to get busted for drinking, addiction doesn’t follow a specific pattern and a “junkie” doesn’t always look like a “junkie;” just as those who drink too much don’t always look like a “drunk”.
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Old 08-04-2019, 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by PhantomHawk
Did you treat him the same as the junkies you refer to in the Narcan thread? Because it’s the same thing.
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In Scotland, not necessarily. Possible to be a regular dude and run afoul of their draconian BAC policy. In fact it's possible for a healthy adult to have a detectable BAC naturally, without being impaired or having consumed anything.

Also, if you're over there, assume you're always under scrutiny unless you're way off the beaten path.
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Old 08-04-2019, 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
In fact it's possible for a healthy adult to have a detectable BAC naturally, without being impaired or having consumed anything.
Possible....but extremely unlikely. There are also readily available tests that will clear up that confusion very quickly. If I were in that situation, I’d demand a blood test immediately. Like I said before.....I’m not going to speculate on the current situation.....but I’d say your suggestion has been ruled out at this point.
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Old 08-04-2019, 10:21 PM
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Originally Posted by PhantomHawk
Addiction to alcohol is the same as any other addiction. It affects all sorts of people, not just what we perceive as “dirty junkies”. To be crystal clear....I’m not referring to the current GLA situation. There are no facts, and it’s not my place to speculate. I was responding to that particular poster’s hypocrisy when it comes to the perceived “value” of a person. It would seem that addiction to an illegal substance makes you worthless.....whereas addiction to a legal substance is just an unfortunate circumstance....especially if you happen to be a professional with a good job. My opinion is that they are one and the same. If the point still isn’t clear.....rest assured, I’m not calling the alcoholic pilots worthless junkies.
There is a big difference between drinking something thats legal and 99% sure not to kill you after one drink and shooting up illegal drugs that you can OD on at any time.
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Old 08-04-2019, 10:49 PM
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There is a big difference between drinking something thats legal and 99% sure not to kill you after one drink and shooting up illegal drugs that you can OD on at any time.
Legal versus illegal is a silly argument. As for the potential lethality of the two substances....that’s very debatable. Plenty of deaths are attributable to each of them. I’m dumbing down the argument to illustrate a point, but you can’t really say alcohol is harmless. Besides.....I’m not claiming that the substances are the same....but once a person continues to use something when it’s well past the point of damaging their life (addiction).......it’s all pretty much the same thing.
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Old 08-05-2019, 04:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Slaphappy
There is a big difference between drinking something thats legal and 99% sure not to kill you after one drink and shooting up illegal drugs that you can OD on at any time.
Sure , one may be more dangerous than the other or illegal. Whatever. The point is the addiction is the same. That’s the big takeaway
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Old 08-05-2019, 05:22 AM
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I think the point was made, but it’s a far stretch OD’ing on a plane compared to a couple of guys who may have had one too many. Especially not knowing if those two had any sort of an addiction, or just decided to imbibe in fine Scottish whisky and thought they were “fine” the next morning.
But like I say, your point was made.
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Old 08-05-2019, 05:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Slaphappy
There is a big difference between drinking something thats legal and 99% sure not to kill you after one drink and shooting up illegal drugs that you can OD on at any time.
Legal vs illegal is a strawman argument. How big is the drink? Big enough and you can die of alcohol poisoning same way a big/strong enough dose of an otherwise non-lethal drug (legal or illegal) can kill you.

Fun fact: a fatal overdose of marijuana (illegal in most places and as far as the feds are concerned) is not possible. But in this country, more people die from overdoses of legal drugs than in car accidents.

Popular Science: Can you overdose on weed?
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Old 08-05-2019, 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Slaphappy
There is a big difference between drinking something thats legal and 99% sure not to kill you after one drink and shooting up illegal drugs that you can OD on at any time.
No... there isn't.
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